FFL transfer question
Today I talked to a dealer about doing a transfer and I asked him if he'd give me a copy of the ffl. He said he won't give out copies but send it himself to the address of the person sending the gun/receiver. In the past with other dealers they've given me the signed photo copy and I mailed it out. How common is it to have the dealer insist on mailing out the ffl? I'm not worried about him shafting me in the deal or anything. I've know this guy since I was 15 and buy guns from him from time to time.
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There are dozens of negative "what-if's" that could take place with signed copies of his FFL floating around...and any one of them could cause him to lose his license.
He may trust you, but what does he tell the next guy, who may not be as responsible, when he asks for a signed copy?
The best prectice is to only exchange copies among dealers, and even then, write across the face of the copy, "FILE COPY FOR XYZ FIREARMS DEALER ONLY."
My 2-cents worth,
Rafter-S
"What is truth? No wonder jesting Pilate turned away. The truth, it has a thousand faces -- show only one of them, and the whole truth flies away! But how to show the whole? That is the question."
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It makes absolutely no sense to me. If someone wanting a firearm gives me a copy of an FFL, I verify it using the FFL EZ-Check on the ATF website; if it turns out to be an altered photocopy, I will recognize it immediately & notify BATF.
If your FFL friend is too scared of the "what-ifs", he should turn in his license & get a job flipping burgers at McDonald's.
Neal0 -
Neal-- Send me a signed copy of your FFL. I may want to pick up some guns at the gunshow this weekend. I will let you know what all I get.
Thanks in advance,
Rafter-S0 -
I bring a stamped envalope addressed to the seller to my FFL. He puts a signed copy of his FFL and my letter/confirmation to identify the transaction in the envalope and mails it. This has always worked for me.
Pete
"Be kind to your neighbor, he knows where you live"0 -
When someone asks me for a copy of my FFL for a transfer I ask for the address and mail it myself.I feel this is the way it should be done.When the gun arrives I notify the owner and wait till he picks it up to open the package.
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ATF0 -
When I do transfers I always mail my FFL myself to the other dealer. I wouldn't give a copy of my license to a buyer to do whatever he wants with it. This way you know for sure a copy of your license is not floating around town.
G. Mayes/// Part Time FFL Dealer/No expert on guns by any means just a Gun Loving Nut0 -
It's really up to the individual FFL holder, and mostly depends on how well they know the person they're receiving the gun for. FFL holders have a lot at stake when it comes to handing out copies of their licenses, so it's not hard to understand that some prefer to do the mailing themselves.
As someone else mentioned, it's really easy to just take along a stamped/addressed envelope when you go to a shop to ask about having them receive a gun for you. Puts the dealer's mind at ease knowing for sure where a copy of his license is going, especially when you consider that that FFL is his livelyhood, and any abuse could result in him being charged with a felony..... [V]
Mark0 -
All your FFL holder has to do to prevent fraud is sign across the FFL copy (File copy for: then put down the company or individuals name you are sending it to)That way it is only useful to that person only & can't be used to purchase multiple guns at other places. 0 -
Ran into the same thing with my FFL. I asked him to identify on the copy which gun I was purchasing and the words, File Copy. He did so and let me have the FFL for mailing with the payment. Works for me.
It's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just ain't so!
Resident Pyrrhonist0 -
Everyone pretty much has a handle on the licence. Sometimes I mail it myself, sometimes I give it to the person to send with his remit. Sometimes a friend is going to an out of state gunshow and I annotate the licence with the following:
"Joe Blow is acting on my behalf as purchasing agent. Please call (area code) 555-1212 to verify this licence prior to any sale".
This works great and most knowledgeable dealers will accept it.
On the mail offs, I have found that annotating FILE COPY in areas that can't be readily whited out works great. The big red stamp goes great on top of the BATF address or right underneath the signature line.
Bottom line is that you don't want unknown purchases done on your licence and you must excercise NORMAL CARE to ensure that it doesn't happen.
Some people are paranoid and some are foolish. Just find your own happy medium and do business honestly and the best that you can. Good judgement people!
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