Transfer of Firearms
I sold a pistol to a gentleman in Quantico. I was just told by the Marine Armory that I will need to ship my firearm via an FFL (in CT) to them. I didn't want to do this since they will charge me 50.00 bucks to do this! I was under the assumption (Mother of all F%^k ups!) that I do not need to go through a dealer to sell and transfer my firearm. I just need to send it to a FFL holder. Or did I read this incorrectly in the seller help page?
I could not find this info in the ATF site. Is this true, if yes more then happy to do it. If not, how do I proceed? Please advise.
I could not find this info in the ATF site. Is this true, if yes more then happy to do it. If not, how do I proceed? Please advise.
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I think your assumption is correct, but for long guns. I think pistols require being shipped and received by FFL holders. Someone here will confirm that I'm sure. I think $50.00 is pretty stiff to simply send a package to another dealer who will be responsible for the ownership transfer.
Winchester crazy0 -
Long guns can go from private party to ffl. Hand guns are required to go from ffl to ffl. Ghost has it correctly. $50 is indeed step for a transfer, unless the dealer is covering the packing and shipping charges as part of that.
My heros have always killed cowboys.0 -
Handguns AND longguns can be transferred from an individual to an FFL in any state.
The difference is in how they are shipped. Handguns can only be shipped through USPS FFL-to-FFL. So, your only choice is to ship your handgun by either FEDEX or UPS, and both require that you ship by Next Day Air, and mark the package "Adult signature required". Both carriers ask you to identify the contents of your package; if you tell them it contains something other than a firearm, & it is lost or damaged, you won't get insurance from them. Many UPS clerks will not accept a firearm from a non-licensee unless you declare that it is a "firearm for repair".
The receiving FFL DOES need to identify you, the sender, in his bound book; so, you should include a photocopy of your drivers license. If your buyer's FFL won't accept that, you are within your rights to insist that he find another FFL.
Neal0 -
Just to let some people know FedEx will ship to a home based FFL. FFL is the same whether it's STORE FRONT OR HOME BASED.
G. Mayes/// Part Time FFL Dealer/No expert on guns by any means just a Gun Loving Nut0 -
Hello, don't ship UPS, the "lost" two rifles I had sent from Ca. They paid me my money back, but I would rather have the guns.
Michael
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quote:Originally posted by He Dog
Long guns can go from private party to ffl. Hand guns are required to go from ffl to ffl.
This is NOT correct--unless you are referring to specific state law. There is no Federal law preventing a private party from shipping--by private carrier--a handgun to a FFL directly.
quote:Originally posted by ghost
I was just told by the Marine Armory...
What is the "Marine Armory"? Is this on a military base? Or is this the name of a business? If a business (FFL) has a private policy that they will only accept firearms from another FFL, tell the buyer he needs to find another transfer dealer or else he is responsible for your extra costs.
Don't accept "BS" from the dealer; I had a dealer attempt to tell me that I'd be breaking the law if I shipped directly to him; I told him (politely) to stop wasting my time with his nonsense. A lot of people don't know the laws relating to their own business--and they don't want to be bothered "with the facts."0 -
I suggest you or your buyer contact Virginia Arms Company, 9760 Center Street, Manassas, VA 20110-4127, (703) 368-3949. Bernie and Pat are very knowledgeable about transfers and their fee is reasonable.
Art
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein0 -
quote:What is the "Marine Armory"?
Marine base in Quantico.
So to be "Clear" on this subject... It is really not a step by step procedure/law for everyone to follow? One rule may or may not apply to everyone else. Sounds like a legal nightmare! Sounds like the rules for engagement!
So... to ask a stupid question... What rule should a Dealer follow? And why, if he chose the "non FFL to FFL" rule, would he get in trouble if that is within his rights?0 -
First, you should avoid speaking with the guys at the Marine Armory; they don't know any more about federal firearms regulations than the grunts who clean out the grease traps in the mess hall.
Second, there IS a set of rules for federal firearms transfers; it is found in the Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide (ATF P5300.4), available from BATFE in hardcopy or downloadable from their website. Federal firearms transfers must also comply with state/local laws, and these are found in State Law and Published Ordinances - Firearms (ATF P5300.5). If someone tells you something is or is not allowed by law, he should be able to quote you the page in one of these publications that supports his view; if he can't, then nothing that he says is worth listening to.
Finally, your specific question is addressed in ATF P5300.4, page 135, paragraph (B1): "To whom may an unlicensed person tranfer firearms under the GCA? A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his or her own State, if the buyer is not prohibited by law from receiving or possessing a firearm, or to a licensee in an State. A firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector."
Also applicable to your problem, page 136, paragraph (B9): "May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier? A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm."
Art's suggestion sounds like it would solve your problem. I think that you now have all the information that you need.
Neal0 -
dano you didn't say in your first post that they will ship to a home based FFL if they have a copy of the FFL. You said they will NOT deliver to a home based FFL period. Now we all know Fed-Ex and UPS makes up rules as they go along, What may happen in one area may not happen in another area. i am a home based FFL in VA and receive firearms from Fed-Ex and UPS almost daily and have never gave Fed-Ex or UPS a copy of my FFL ever.
G. Mayes/// Part Time FFL Dealer/No expert on guns by any means just a Gun Loving Nut0 -
quote:Originally posted by ghost
quote:What is the "Marine Armory"?
Marine base in Quantico.
If this is being shipped to a US military base you are going to have to follow their rules. (period) Or require that the buyer find an FFL off the base then he can deal with getting the firearm on base.0
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