Beretta Model 92
I just purchased a slightly used Model 92, 9mm. It is identical to the military version with the exeception the rear sight has two dots, rather the M9's one center line. My question how can I tell if the gun I own is the "modified version". I heard Beretta started having problems with the slide coming of the back of the gun during recoil, the fix was a simple one. But how can I tell if my gun has this feature?? By the way, it is a great shooter. Thanks in advance.
Alleno
Alleno
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I having an unusual issue with my Model 92 FS lately. Each time I've taken it to the range for the last four trips, I've had one round out of about forty fired that has kicked back a lot of gas and powder residue in my face. Each time, just one. My loads are a little warm, using a Lee 7cc dipper of Blue Dot under a 124 gr. FMJ bullet. Been using it for years with no problems and even had a Ruger technician tell me it was OK a few years ago when talked to him about the P89 used to have. Any thoughts? Am I dealing with an ammo issue or a gun issue? Can't see where it would be the gun but never had a problem with this load in over 20 years either. 0 -
What are the EXACT markings on the pistol? An actual Model 92 has a frame mounted safety, a rounded trigger gaurd and a magazine release down at the heel of the grip. The 92S has a slide mounted safety/decocker. There are numerous other designations for further modifications to the pistol. If your's is marked Model 92FS is has the slide retention pin, a slightly hammer axis pin, and grooves cut into the underside of the left slide rail for about 1/3 of its length. The 92F was the earlier variation which has the identical flat trigger gaurd, but no slide retention device. If your pistol is an early model without this feature it should not concern you as all slide failures occured in U.S. Military service and were traced to extremely powerful 9mm loadings which the pistol was not designed to handle. If you are still worried simply avoid the use of +P ammo (or anything equal to or above) and you'll be fine.
Mark T. Christian0 -
ah ok, it is the Model 92FS, so it has the slide retention pin. Thank you very much Mark, appreciated.
Alleno0 -
Mark nailed it, but just to add, the ammo that the gov't used to break the slides was more like +P++. The standard 9mm load, is loaded to between 25,000-35,000 PSI. A proof load, a round that is fired once at the factory just to make sure the gun is strong enough, is loaded to approx. 44,000 PSI. The rounds the gov't was using when they broke the Beretta's was loaded to 53,000+ PSI. The surprising thing is that they lasted as long as they did. What many people didn't hear was that they Ruger's and S&W's in the same tests broke in 10% the number of rounds it took to break the Beretta's.
Enjoy your Beretta.0 -
Beretta announced in 1989 that all M92F pistols delivered under contract to te US Military would incorperate the slide retention feature (M92FS) and Beretta USA would retrofit all M92F pistols then in US Military service. Police and civilians were supposed to continue to receive unmodified M92F versions but in mid 1990 the company decided that this dual production was a waste of effort and began selling the M92FS pistols commercially. By the end of the year even the home factory in Gardone, Italy began to produce only the FS models. At this time the Beretta company does not offer a retrofit to FS standards for earlier M92's sold to civilians or police. The modification to the pistols are not major and any gun smith could modify the pistol to accept the slide retetion device if desired. I would not lose any sleep over this.
Mark T. Christian0
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