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Need Value - Savage 1903 ? With J Stevens Scope

Pauper
I would appreciate some help determining the value of a couple of items. The rifle in question is a Savage and from the best info I can dig up so far appears to be a 1903 Model, but I am not sure. I am also interested in determining the value not only of the scope that is mounted on the rifle. It appears that the scope, peep sight, etc. mounted on the rifle are all factory original. No marking on the peep. The scope is marked J. Stevens & Tool CO., Pat. Pndg. # 480, Chicopee Falls, Mass., USA. I'd say that these items were in very good condition considering their apparent age (Just my opinion).

If pictures would help determine or give a better evaluation tool please feel free to email me at chammondjr@hotmail.com or through one of my listed items here at the GunBroker site.

Any assistance in valuing these two items would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for the help.
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  • He Dog
    I cannot help with the rifle, particularly as you are uncertain of its ID. The scope I may be able to give you a ball park value on, however. With the J. Stevens name it was manufactured after 1901, and most of these are collectable and have some value (into several hundred $$). Without more information I cannot be more precise, but things like magnification, tube diameter (precise), length, or model number if present would be a help in narrowing it down. There were quite a few models produced.

    My heros have always killed cowboys.
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  • Pauper
    quote:Originally posted by He Dog
    I cannot help with the rifle, particularly as you are uncertain of its ID. The scope I may be able to give you a ball park value on, however. With the J. Stevens name it was manufactured after 1901, and most of these are collectable and have some value (into several hundred $$). Without more information I cannot be more precise, but things like magnification, tube diameter (precise), length, or model number if present would be a help in narrowing it down. There were quite a few models produced.

    My heros have always killed cowboys.


    He Dog,

    Thanks for the infor and input. I could send pictures if that would be of any help.

    Pauper
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  • He Dog
    I was unable to e-mail a reply to you directly. I have no photos or exemplars to compare your photos to. If you would like to send measurements, tube diameter, length, magnification etc. I may be able to narrow it down. There was a fair amount of variation in the models which will help. The scopes were manufactured for Stevens prior to 1903, but in that year they bought the manufacturer and started producing with their own name, which is why I gave you the post 1903 date. With demensions, I may be able to narrow it to a model and give you a better date and value range. I am working from an old scope book, but have no experience with these old scopes myself. I am way too young for that!

    My heros have always killed cowboys.
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  • He Dog
    E-mails come back undeliverable both through GB and sent as replys. Says mail box unavailable. Sorry, I will not post address here.

    My heros have always killed cowboys.
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  • He Dog
    quote:The scope is marked J. Stevens & Tool CO., Pat. Pndg. # 480, Chicopee Falls, Mass., USA. I assume from the above # on the scope tube that this scope is a model 480. It is 26.5" long and 3/4" in diameter. The barrel on this 22 is 30" long. Ther is no model # indicated on the Rifle.

    Pauper, as far as I can tell, none of the Stevens scopes was produced at a standard length of 26.5". There were, however several scopes produced in an undefined range like 26-32", and Stevens would produce any of their scopes in extra length tubes for $3 additional. The model 480 was produced at a standard length of 18" in 8x magnification. Unfortunately I doubt if I can get any closer. If it is the 480, in standard length it would be valued at $150-$350 for the tube alone, if with the #2 mounts then $300 -$550 total. The value is dependent upon condition. It was produced about 1906.

    My heros have always killed cowboys.
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  • He Dog
    You are most welcome Pauper! To track down the id of the rifle, you might try the blue book or Balderson's book on Antique guns. Best of Luck.

    My heros have always killed cowboys.
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  • He Dog
    First, Pauper, it is no bother. If I was not willing to help you, I would not respond to posts on the board. I enjoy helping and having an excuse to use the references I spent the bucks on. 460 is a different scope altogether: magnification is 8x, but length was given as 26.0-32.0" tube diameter is .750" (some of the early ones were .625"). It was made circa 1906 but came with No. 1 mounts normally. Value is $175-$475 for scope only, and $300-$600 for scope and mounts.

    Now, according to the book the number one mounts were probably used on the Favorite rifles, but I have no way of being sure they were not also used on others. I would certainly take a look at the favorites to see if your rifle is somewhat similar, and if so, I can get out the Stevens books (my actual interest is in Savage Model 99's, which is why I have the books) The number one mount is figured in drawings. The front mount is a ring with base and may or may not (late and early production) have a tension spring leaf sort of like a car leaf spring on one side, There is a scew on the the front fase of the ring at the bottom opposite the tension leaf. It may be for adjusting the leaf tension. The rear ring also has a tension leaf and a screw in the top of of an oval ring for adjusting the scope tightly. I think there is also a scew on one side and another in the bottom opposite the leaf, as on the front mount. The early model rear mount has a leaf on each side of the ring and seemed to mount well forward of the receiver more in the middle of the scope rather than further back on the receiver near the rear of the scope.

    Hope all of that is clear.

    My inability to e-mail you may be due to the fire wall here, but I cannot get through on the GB e-mail either.

    My heros have always killed cowboys.
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  • timinpa
    if you do have a savage model 1903 the value in perfect condition is $210 exc is 220 and very good is 160 how ever they made several savage 22s and alot of them looked very similar.
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  • Pauper
    quote:Originally posted by He Dog
    First, Pauper, it is no bother. If I was not willing to help you, I would not respond to posts on the board. I enjoy helping and having an excuse to use the references I spent the bucks on. 460 is a different scope altogether: magnification is 8x, but length was given as 26.0-32.0" tube diameter is .750" (some of the early ones were .625"). It was made circa 1906 but came with No. 1 mounts normally. Value is $175-$475 for scope only, and $300-$600 for scope and mounts.

    Now, according to the book the number one mounts were probably used on the Favorite rifles, but I have no way of being sure they were not also used on others. I would certainly take a look at the favorites to see if your rifle is somewhat similar, and if so, I can get out the Stevens books (my actual interest is in Savage Model 99's, which is why I have the books) The number one mount is figured in drawings. The front mount is a ring with base and may or may not (late and early production) have a tension spring leaf sort of like a car leaf spring on one side, There is a scew on the the front fase of the ring at the bottom opposite the tension leaf. It may be for adjusting the leaf tension. The rear ring also has a tension leaf and a screw in the top of of an oval ring for adjusting the scope tightly. I think there is also a scew on one side and another in the bottom opposite the leaf, as on the front mount. The early model rear mount has a leaf on each side of the ring and seemed to mount well forward of the receiver more in the middle of the scope rather than further back on the receiver near the rear of the scope.

    Hope all of that is clear.

    My inability to e-mail you may be due to the fire wall here, but I cannot get through on the GB e-mail either.

    My heros have always killed cowboys.


    Thank, You have answered 90% of the questions concerning this scope. It is mounted forward on the rifle. The rear mount for the scope is mounted on the barrel just in front of the receiver. The front mount for the scope id located about 1/2 way along the 30" barrel. It appears to have all the adjustments and leaf spring/s you mentioned in the earlier models. The rifle is a pump action, has a clip and so naturally is clip fed (7 round clip), and I am almost positive it is a 1903 model. Has the what was called the fish back stock. I stioll feel that this whole system was a factory done job.

    Thanks again to all for the info furnished.
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  • He Dog
    Anytime, Pauper, anytime! Sounds like a nice old rig, take good care of it.

    My heros have always killed cowboys.
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