Ar 15 tricky question

edtmontana

June 16, 2003 21:18

OK, here is somthing i've been trying to figure out. If someone has a Postban AR lower and the ban expires would you legally be able to build it into a preban configuration? Now here's where it gets tricky, the ATF says a preban lower isn't a legal preban unless it was built into a preban configuration before the ban went into effect. So (1) would the post ban reciever that is not built into a post ban rifle, but built into an after ban expires rifle, (pre ban), after the ban expires be legal? (2) Would a post ban rifle always have to stay Post ban? Just wondering

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  p3skyking

  June 16, 2003 21:59

  Not a lawyer, but was booze made during prohibition still illegal after it was repealed? Somewhere, common sense must come into play. I think the whole postban/preban would be moot.

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  mpolans

  June 17, 2003 04:23

  Not an attorney, this isn't legal advice, you should consult an attorney licensed to practice where you live, etc.
  
  Under Federal law, if the ban expires next year, you can eliminate the words "pre-ban" and "post-ban" from your vocabulary in relation to AR-15s. You will be able to make whatever you want.
  
  But until that happens, it would almost assuredly be illegal to put an offending pre-ban upper onto a post-ban lower.

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  gap1916

  June 17, 2003 05:29

  I do not want to be picky here but common sence is not common any more. A new law would be just that a new law and the law makers do not use any type of sence that I can see. My 2 cents [8D]
  
  Greg

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  pikeal1

  June 17, 2003 05:45

  If the bill sunsets...it would be as if there was never a ban in the first place.
  
  there will be no law stating that a post ban weapon in preban configuration is illegal. Of course...if the bill is renewed or a new law replaces the old one...things would be different...but if it simply expires and dies the horrible death it deserves...you can put a collapsible stock on a brand new AR with a bayo lug and a 20 round mag without anyone telling you thats its against the law...unless you live in Kalifornia...then your just screwed anyway.
  
  "The only way American citizens can adequately be protected from terror and violence is when" those in authority protect us from those who would harm us, instead of protecting us from ourselves.

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  DrC

  June 17, 2003 06:03

  I don't think any of it will be an issue anyway....President Bush, although riding high and in no danger of the "super liberal Hillary" in 2004 (2008 is when her coup is planned) anyway, as I was saying, President Bush, who has already alluded to his support of the continuation of the ban, will push for it, unless enough of us push back, to make it appear to the liberals like he had good intentions, etc., etc.. So let's not forget to "push back" when it comes into the media spotlight hard and heavy...I believe the President probably doesn't care either way, but if enough gun hating liberals get on board, the ban will probably be continued.

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  mpolans

  June 18, 2003 14:33

  Actually, I think Bush is just posturing in order to appeal to the uneducated electorate knowing full well that there's about a 0.01% chance of it even hitting his desk. Unfortunately, Tom DeLay had to go shoot his mouth off and tip his hand by saying a renewal bill wouldn't even get out of committee, so Bush had to say something to placate the soccer mom vote.
  Bush is not as dumb as everyone thinks. He knows why he won...every Democrat that got beat in the last few years has been attributing it to the NRA vote. He also saw what happend to his daddy when his daddy originally signed in the Assault Weapons Ban. I'm sure he doesn't want to be another one-term Bush.
  
  
  quote:Originally posted by DrC
  I don't think any of it will be an issue anyway....President Bush, although riding high and in no danger of the "super liberal Hillary" in 2004 (2008 is when her coup is planned) anyway, as I was saying, President Bush, who has already alluded to his support of the continuation of the ban, will push for it, unless enough of us push back, to make it appear to the liberals like he had good intentions, etc., etc.. So let's not forget to "push back" when it comes into the media spotlight hard and heavy...I believe the President probably doesn't care either way, but if enough gun hating liberals get on board, the ban will probably be continued.

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  kimberkid

  June 18, 2003 17:16

  mpolans - The Bush 42 executive order really didn't have a big effect to his being a "1 termer" ... It didn't help but wasn't a deciding factor ... what sunk his ship he didn't address" the lagging economy ... The recession hit nearly every voter where they live; in the pocketbook ... that's what cost him the election.
  
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  kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com

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  modernbackwoods

  June 21, 2003 12:23

  so if the ban does expire what will the impact be on high cap mags?

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  buckdeer

  June 21, 2003 17:47

  hopefully hi-cap mags will finally be affordable again

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  boeboe

  June 21, 2003 19:13

  So, if a firearm was illegally built into pre-ban configuration and the ban expires without renewal, would the builder still be subject to arrest after it expires?
  
  To err is human, to moo is bovine.

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