Pale Rider
In the movie Pale Rider (Clint Eastwood) there is a scene near the end where Clint's re-loading his pistol while approaching his next "victim". It appears that he pulls a lever down and the cylinder drops out, and he inserts another loaded cylinder. Did I see that correctly, and if so, what was that pistol? Thanks.
Mark
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Mark
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Most, if not all, the early Colt cap and ball revolvers could be, and often were, loaded this way. There's a wedge that holds the cylinder in that is easily removed(not removed altogether. just slide out enough to get the cylinder out) with finger presure. Out pops the empty cylinder and in goes a loaded one. Just like speed loaders. This technique was common in those days. 0 -
As I recall the piece in question was a Remington. Switching cylinders was a more practican and much simpler operation on the Remington than on the Colt. The Remington only required pulling the center pin forward to free the cylinder. The center pin was restrained from coming free of the piece, to prevent loss. The Colt, on the other hand, required knocking the wedge loose to free the barrel for removal. The barrel was then removed, the cylinders switched, and if the shooter, in the haste and excitement, had not dropped the barrel and/or the wedge fall free, all was reassembled, ready to shoot again. Hope this helps. 0 -
Rhmc24 is correct. I have a repro' Remington 1858 New Army model. Eastwood used a Remington with a conversion cylinder, if I recall correctly. Meaning it had a cylinder that changed it from a cap-n-ball revolver to one that used cartridges. Conversion cylinders can still be had today. 
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Awesome movie by the way! [:D] "Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?"0 -
I believe the pistol was an 1856 or 58 remington navy revolver 0 -
Thanks guys! There is an 1858 and 1856 remington on this auction site and I believe the 1858 looks to be correct.
Again Thanks.
Mark
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In pale rider Clint was using an 1858 Remington BP revolver with a cartridge conversion. I was jsut watching The Good The Bad & The Ugly the other day and noticed that he was using an 1851 or an 1861 Colt Navy black powder revolver (I think) that also had a cartridge conversion.
Check out this site for the conversions:
http://www.riverjunction.com/kirst/konverterFAQ.html
Very Cool!
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As I recall this revolver had a lever hinged to the cylinder shaft and going up to the end of the barrel. You pull the lever back and this slides the shaft out of the cylinder, allowing the cylinder to fall out to be replaced like a magazine. Pretty neat, but it is a gun I am not knowledgeable about.
I do know about pulling out the pin to allow the change of cylinder. But this gun was different.0 -
If you want to see how it is done check this out:
http://www.riverjunction.com/kirst/kirstswedsite/demo.html
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What always amazes manually-challenged me as I watch "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly": the speed with which Eli Wallach disassembles parts of several revolvers, to create the pistol of preference. Also how he puts the timing to his ear, ascertaining that its to his liking. 0 -
I remember back in one of the 82nd Airborne Divisions' schools you would have to detail strip a 1911A1 45......an 16 Rifle........and an M60 Machinegun, then jumbled them up on a wool balanket and had somethine like 30 minutes to reassemble them. this also included the 45 and 16's magazine components........they also threw in extra parts to confuse you......This was back in the 60's.....john....... 0 -
JUST A NOTE OF INTEREST. CLINT EASTWOOD USES ALL AUTHENTIC GUNS FROM HIS OWN COLLECTION. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by drobs
...I was jsut watching The Good The Bad & The Ugly the other day and noticed that he was using an 1851 or an 1861 Colt Navy black powder revolver (I think) that also had a cartridge conversion....
If you note in the final gun fight scene in the good the bad and the ugly, or was it one of the dollar movies. The revolvers have percussion caps but the gun belts have loops and cartridges. Considering that this was during the War between the States, This is not authentic. Cartridge type firearms of that caliber were not in general use until after 1873.
When you wrestle a 'gator, there ain't no good end!!
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Dates of the War Between the States, 1861 to 1865.
It looked to be the end of the war. Remember the scene when they blow the bridge? Also there were cartidge rifles available, ie. the Henry Rifle. The website I linked above mentions various foreign manufacturers were importing cartidge revolvers during the latter part of the Civil War, most of which were rimfire not sure how true that is though. Basically it was possible or maybe plausible.
What I liked about The Good B & U, is that it's a real anarchy type of film. These guys are just roving the countryside at the end of a war. Kinda cool.
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quote:Originally posted by drobs
...Also there were cartidge rifles available, ie. the Henry Rifle. ... Basically it was possible or maybe plausible.
Yes Plausible. But wasn't there an earlier scene where Eastwood is cleaning his revolver, cartridge type 44-45 cal. and the 'bad' Mexican guy,Eli Wallach, was sneaking up the steps with his minions? Seems to me that was out of synch with history.
Also in an earlier scene didn't Wallach put together a revolver from parts of other revolvers and then load it with cartridges? (Thank you NickCWinter for that memory)[;)]
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quote:Yes Plausible. But wasn't there an earlier scene where Eastwood is cleaning his revolver, cartridge type 44-45 cal. and the 'bad' Mexican guy,Eli Wallach, was sneaking up the steps with his minions? Seems to me that was out of synch with history.
Also in an earlier scene didn't Wallach put together a revolver from parts of other revolvers and then load it with cartridges? (Thank you NickCWinter for that memory)
Could've been really large rimfire cartriges. [:D]
quote:If you note in the final gun fight scene in the good the bad and the ugly, or was it one of the dollar movies. The revolvers have percussion caps but the gun belts have loops and cartridges.
In the last scene when you see him using BP percussion caps (TheGBU), maybe he ran out of cartridges?
Now I'm confusing the 2 movies. I'm suprised Capt Kirk hasn't locked this yet.[:I]
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These are conversions to .22RF done by yours truly. Top is Colt, below is Remington. Both were .36 Navy repros.[img]d:\gunsonly\convboth.jpg[/img] 0 -
rhmc24, pictures won't post unless you have them on a server (yahoo, imagestation, etc.) If you want to email them to me at clintonoakland@hotmail.com, I will post them for you. "Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?"0
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