M1 garand question(mark you out there)
just before i deployed to the gulf i talked about some garands i inherited from my dad 6 to be exact 2 SA's 2 internationals and 2 H&r's..these were found in a crate in my dads attic along with 30 yrs of military service spaning 3 wars so there is an awful lot of things yet to be unpacked..these garands are mint still have packing grease on them..all the dod markings on the stocks etc..my question and maybe mark or someone can tell me..we have found a 7th garand packed in what looks to be a paratrooper bag..under some boards in the attic..not as good a condition as the others but i would rate it as good..stock is a little banged up looks like it went thru alot even appears to have a small groove which looks like it was grazed by a bullet on the stock..i think this may have been my dads personal weapon from korea, as his initials are carved in the stock along with 1 marines,,9/15/50..INCHON..i am going to research this..my question is ,,2 of the garands say springfield armoury on the rec...this one says springfeild arms co.?????? is this not the same company?? barrel is an sa and looks to be dated if i read this right 4/42 did they allow troops to brings home personal weapons are did his high rank make him privy
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Slidder, I remember reading your origional post, and Mark had some good info for you. In one of his posts on Sat. he said he was going on vacation, and that we wouldn't hear from him for about a month. 0 -
If they really are marked "Springfield Armoury" or "Springfeild Arms", then they are most likely Asian knock-offs; any rifle produced by the US Govt arsenal was marked "Springfield Armory".
US troops could bring home certain foreign guns after WWII, but any US issued guns brought home are considered stolen US property. Most likely your dad bought his guns from the Director of Civilian Marksmanship, or from others who did.
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with all due respect and i thank you for your response,i really don't think an M1 with a barrel date of 4/42 and an inscribed date in the stock of 9/15/50 is an asian knockoff..from what i have been told..before springfeild armory was called that it was the springfeild arms co which produced the first and original M1 garands,the name changed years later..correct me if i am wrong..mark has indeed given me some good info and now that i am home i will research what i have here and start by cleaning everything...i have an old ww2 vet and former armorer who is going to help me...thanks again 0 -
Slidder, would appreciate your help, I have a Miltech restoration of a Garand on consignment on one of the auction sites. A fellow has asked me for the barrel date and I can not locate it. Could you please tell me where they are located? Thank You, jmothes@pld.com 0 -
Slidder12,
Springfield Armory has been called Springfield Armory since it was founded in 1794. There never was any "Arms Co." to it. It was owned and operated by the U.S. goverment from the time it was founded until they stopped makeing firearms at which time it was taken over by the U.S. Park Service as a museum.
25-06,
The barrel date is located on the top of the barrel just behind the front sight, also, pull back the operating rod and look on the barrel reinforce in the space that is uncovered. Barrel dates and drawing numbers are located here.0 -
I have a savage single shot 22 here marked springfield arms co. Definately not from sprinfield armory.....
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Iroquois Scout, I own several M1 Garand rifles and have never seen the date on the top of the barrel just behind the front sight. Are you possibly taking about import marks?
The barrel date is usually in the second location you mentioned.
Charlie
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Evening Gents;
Slidder, It was never "allowed" for returning U.S. troops to retain thier service rifles or pistols. However, that said, there were untolled numbers of these same guns taken home anyway. I make no judgements here, as my dad brought home his garand and a carbine. The one you mention with his initails and such may well have been the one he drug thru Korea. If so, and I think this likely, I would be very careful how far you digin researching it. You might well recieve a knock on you're door and find a couple of dark suits in government issue Ray-Bans and no sense of humor on the porch. The Gov. tends to be a bit touching over these spirited firearms. For what it's worth. Springfield Arms Co. was Part of the Springfield,Savage,Fox Merger. All three Co's were contract makers of various military weapoms during the Second World War. Springfield Arms has nothing what ever to do with the Arsenal. Springfield Arms was a private Corp. the arsenal was owned by Uncle. I can't say for sure if S.A.Co. built Garands, they did built M-1 Carbines, I have one. It is possible, Winchester,H&R,Remington,Savage,(part of Springfield as mentioned before) and a host of others built Garands, Not just the Springfield Arensenal. Here's one for you guys, ever seen a Garand from the Eddystone Arsenal?
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