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9m/m Federal Rimmed - ATF?

cbxjeff
ATF's post caught my eye. Am I correct that Fereral made a rimmed 9mm revolver cartrige? Where can I get some? The Federal web site doesn't mention it.

Thanks,
Jeff

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  • blown69stang
    Yes they did but they discontinued them some time ago. Not worth the hassle since .38spcl and .357mag were same caliber and either more or less powerfull. Most that had them shoot it up and threw away the brass. Goodluck trying to find any and if you do, make sure you don't throw the brass away.
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  • cbxjeff
    Thanks for the reply stang. Were they as short as the current 9mm luger?

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  • rufe-snow
    My understanding of the 9mm Federal Rimmed fiasco, is that the first Charter Arms Company (Their's been at least (3) different companies using the Charter Arms name since the early 80's), developed this cartridge with Federal during the late 1980's for use in their revolvers. Unfortunately they never imagined that any imbecile would be stupid enough to try to use this round in the old 19th century black powder revolvers chambered for the .38 S & W Cartridge. YOU GUESSED IT!!. As soon as the lawyers for the IMBECILES went after them, they dropped the 9mm Rimmed like a hot potato. Shortly after this the original Charter Arms Company went out of business (1991), I don't know at this late date if the 9mm Rimmed fiasco had anything to due with their demise.
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  • Iconoclast
    I don't have a specimen to measure, but it was intended to be the rimmed equivalent of the 9x19 Parabellum, just as the .45 AR was designed to be the equivalent of the .45 ACP in revolvers, eliminating the need for half moon clips in both cases. The history of the round is as rufe-snow described quite accurately. You will still see the ammo offered for sale as a collectible from time to time.

    Didn't realize you were after the ammo instead of merely curious about it - sorry. Watch for a listing under collectible ammo. It appears irregularly and doesn't really bring much of a premium when you consider it is an orphan. If you want to shoot more than a box or two, then reloading would be the way to go, as the Scout and Sunray note. You will find this a very pleasureable adjunct to shooting and collecting, but be aware that when you get into case forming, it can add a significant chunk of change - and often time - to the front end, although I don't think those factors would necessarily pertain in this instance.
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  • cbxjeff
    Thanks for the info guys.

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  • Iroquois Scout
    It seems to me that if you need 9mm Federal brass that it would be easy to form from 38 S&W brass which is available from Starline. If you would trim the brass to .754 inch and then run it into a 9mm Luger sizeing die until it will hold a .355 inch bullet, loaded to an overall length of 1.16 inch, you could make cartridges that would work.
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  • cbxjeff
    Scout,

    If I wanted 50 or 100 rounds, do you think I would get anyone interested in building these for me on the "wanted to buy" forum. Or would going to ads in Shotgun News be better?

    Thanks to all again.

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  • Sunray
    "...If I wanted 50 or 100 rounds..." Not commercially. If you wanted 100,000 maybe. If you want to play with this kind of stuff you really should get into reloading yourself. You'd have a blast, I mean, lots of fun.
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  • Iroquois Scout
    I agree with Sunray, a commercial loader would not be interested in loading only 50 or 100 rounds. It just isn't cost effective and when those are gone, if you don't reload, what are you going to do then? If you belong to a club or know someone who does reload, see if they will make them for you, otherwise why not get into reloading and make them yourself.
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  • cbxjeff
    Sun & Scout,

    I guess I should have added more detail. I working on an unusual pistol design for a fellow in Tampa. He is insisting on 9mm ammo. A rimmed 9 would really help me. Does anyone even make 9mm moon clips? I guess I could make my own. Anyway, 50 or 100 rounds is all I would ever need. That would be plenty (providing the design is sound) to proof the pistol. Any further ammo would not be my responsibility.

    Again, thanks to everyone.

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  • Iconoclast
    Jeff,

    See my additional comments in my first post. I didn't add them as a separate post in deference to CK's policies. I've seen / heard of the 9mm half moon clips but could not give a source if my life depended on it. And I would disagree with the idea you couldn't get a local commercial guy to do it . . . just that it would cost you big time. I used to do project ammo for customers, but required them to pay for the tooling as well as my time and materials. Sometimes it was worth it to them, sometimes not.
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  • lrarmsx
    Jeff, 9mm moon clips are available for the 5 shot small frame revolvers. They were made by S&W and Ruger. Both companies should still have some available as well as some aftermarket makers. As for the Federal rimmed ammo I may know of where to acquire a few boxes, but if this is for a project, I'd look at the moon clip option before going after the 9mm rimmed. It is hard to find and somewhat a collectable to some in today's market.
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  • richbug
    www.moonclips.com

    Why does everyone feel the need to burn that much powder?
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