M1899 Krnka semi-automatic rifle

Ivan

April 25, 2003 15:52

I have acquired a German made semi-automatic rifle in 8 X 45 cal. It looks pre WWII and is obiviously a commercial arm. Anyone know the history and value of this item?

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  captkirk3@dslextreme.com

  April 25, 2003 16:08

  IVAN: Would it be possible to get a photo of this gun? The discription you gave does'nt give enough detail for Me to make any knowledgable reply....
  And welcome to the FORUM'S.........
  
  Captain Kirk, Tech Staff

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  CountryGunsmith

  April 25, 2003 17:36

  There were a few different models of the Roth-Krnka rifle and carbine, and a couple of different cartridges in 8mm and 8.2mm. Dates back to the old Austria-Hungary days, before World War 1.

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  Hardrada55

  April 25, 2003 19:02

  quote:Originally posted by CountryGunsmith
  There were a few different models of the Roth-Krnka rifle and carbine, and a couple of different cartridges in 8mm and 8.2mm. Dates back to the old Austria-Hungary days, before World War 1.
  
  
  I really like old semi-auto center-fire sporters. There was an article in American Rifleman many years ago by Roger Marsh (I think it was post-WWII) entitled "First Autoloading Sporter?" Supposedly this gun was listed in a catalog for an outfit out of N.Y. called A. W. Funke and it was described as the "Mannlicher (Haenel) Automatic Repeating Rifle. Described in Mr. Marsh's article as being a "long-recoil actuated locked-breech sporting autoloader chambered for a special 8mm cartridge." "Five round staggered-row box magazine which is loaded through a releasable bottom-plate, somewhat in the manner of hte later Standard Arms Co. rifle." There is also a picture of this gun in the book "Automatic Arms". Hallowell & Co of Connecticut had one for sale in '96 which they listed as the "C.G. Haenel System Roth 1899 8x42R. "Weird deluxe pre-war semi-automatic sporting rifle, 20" half-octagon bbl wiht full sold rib. 1 standing and 1 folding express sight, barrel recoils inside fixed shroud. 14 3/8" pull from DST to engraved horn buttplate. Figured walnut with horn forend tip. Horn charging knob. Fine scroll engraved. Zeiss Zielklein scope on claw mounts. Old reblue to 100%. $3250." This gun is not your gun now, is it? Probably chambered the enignatic cartridge variously described as 8.2x45 Krnka Auto Rifle or 8.2x44 Hunting or 8x45 Roth-Krnka Carbine. Georg Roth case number 618. MV supposedly circa 1800 fps. Krnka was the design genius. Georg Roth was the marketing genius. Krnka designed the Roth-Steyr Model 1907 semi-auto pistol for the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Roth always took credit for his designs.

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