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hunter223
Is it hard to get a C&R permit?
Who do I contact?
What do I do?
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  • hunter223
    I'm selling an old Martini (over 50 years old) with a new .222 Remington barrel. Prospective buyers are telling me it's a C&R. Is it? If you say "yes", please post an ATF reference.

    Thanks
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  • crisisbill
    Here is a link to a web site that should provide you with all the info you need.

    http://www.goldenloki.com/misc/crffl.htm

    If you Fail to Prepare, Prepare to Fail<P>coyotehunter@hvc.rr.com<P><br>

    Guns don't have fingerprints; they have signatures that can be changed in a moment.
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  • Python
    Hunter;
    Certain firearms, due to type of ammo, atique statis,
    and production prior to 1898, are deemed "Curios or Relics".
    This statis make SOME but not all Non-Guns under ATF rules.
    This can be a very sticky subject, the rules frequently seem contradictory and can be confusing. For example C-96 mauser pistols are in large part covered by the C%R rules,except for those with detachable box magazines and select fire versions, These are covered under Class III and NFA rules. The ATF web site has a section that covers C&R rules and there is a printable version. By the way, Some
    C&R firearms require licenses too posses.
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  • mark christian
    Do NOT confuse the terms antique with Curio and Relic as the two are vastly different animals. An antique firearm is any firearm produced prior to December 31, 1898 and these are not even considered firearms on a federal level- you can buy, sell, or ship them without a dealer involved at any level or any type of license or paperwork (state laws vary on antiques), basically theseantique guns are ornaments and not firearms.

    A firearm becomes a C&R automatically when it reaches 50 years old. If it is less than 50 years of age it can become a C&R if the BATF grants it C&R status on the offical C&R list. These are generally commemorative firearms or special limited production runs from manufacturers. If you own a personal firearm that you feel should be a C&R item you can apply to the BATF and request that it be so classified and added to the C&R list. There are hundreds of National Firearms Act Weapons which are C&R classified firearms (machineguns, short barreled rifles, cannons, ect.) so don't believe for a minute that there is a two tiered set of rules- 50 years or C&R classification is all it takes on ANY firearm. You still need to use a BATF Form 4 on C&R machineguns or other NFA weapons, but you don't need a Class 3 dealer, the gun can be shipped straight to you once the paperwork is finished.

    You nedd to apply to the BATF for what is known as a Type 3 C&R license. When you have this you can buy, sell or ship C&R classified firearms (ONLY C&R- not ordinary firearms) in interstate commerce. Exactly how much you can do with the C&R license depends on which state you live in because many states do not honor C&R licenses. If you live in a more relaxed state you will never have to visit a firearms dealer again when you order C&R firearms (like Lugers, M1 Carbines, or Garands) as these guns can now be shipped to your door step. You do have to maintain a few simple records of your purchases when you use your license, but it is not too difficult.

    Keep in mind that the C&R license is not a license to become a dealer in C&R firearms. It is for the purpose of building up your own personal firearms collection and not to be used for ordering firearms and then selling them to your buddies. That kind of activity gets a lot of people into very deep trouble. The C&R license was designed to make life easier for collectors by allowing them to obtain C&R firearms through interstate commerce- either in person at gun shows or shipped to them when ordered from out of state. There are many thousands of C&R firearms and when used within its limits the C&R license is one of the best bargans available in the USA when you take into account what it allows you to do. I have been a regualr FFL dealer for over 20 years, but I still keep a C&R license because it is so handy.

    Mark T. Christian
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  • Jackass420
    so when sending forms to my CLEO, do i send him the application, or the compliance form, or both? i read the web link above, but just want some confirmation from you guys. thanks.
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