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Model 70 claw or push

mvbrown
The model 70, Classic Stainless in 270 caliber, uses a claw extractor and a reliable fixed ejector. The model 70, Black Shadow in 270 caliber, uses puch feed.

What are the advantages of one over the other.

Also, both rifles have the same length of pull and barrel length but different overall length. The Black Shadow is 42.75" long and the Classic Stainless is 44.75" long. Were did the 2" go and should I care?

Any thoughs about the other differences between these rifles, such as stainless vs blued, will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.[8D]

Milt
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  • woodyd70
    The black shadow is a cheaper version of the model 70. Control vs. push round feed is personal preference. One is normally no better than the other, the control round feed is just touted to be more reliable. If you're not gonna be hunting african safari game anytime soon, and I'm assuming the .270 wouldn't be your choice of caliber anyway (ha, ha), it really doesn't matter.

    woodyd
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  • JimmyJack
    I have both and they work flawlessly. I agree it is personal preferance.
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  • jamesgray
    yes functionally, they both get the spent cartridge out almost all of the time (100% in my experience with my claw) but for some reason the claw is one of the things folks praise about the pre-64's. Why is that??
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  • shootinfool
    Technically the push feed is more accurate. It guides the round into the chamber and lets the bullet set more concentrically in relation to the chamber and rifling. The claw feed grabs the round and forces it to go where it decides, due to its constant hold on the bullet. A round slightly out of concentricity(alignment) with the chamber and rifling will slightly go down the barrel with a very slight wobble. This sometimes is the cause for tumbling bullets, and is also a major cause for inaccuracy.

    I personally lke the push feed myself.
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  • chuck
    Winchester is a winchester (PUKE)
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  • aglore
    Shootingfool, where in god's name did you ever get thet gibberish about the claw extractor being a cause for tumbling bullets. The type of extractor has nothing to do with bullet stabilization.

    AlleninAlaska
    Delta Firearms & Supplies

    He who dares not offend cannot be honest.
    -- Thomas Paine
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  • shootinfool
    I personally had a Winchester that the claw would not let the bullet set properly in the chamber, and the bullets did "Key hole". It is probably a rare occasion, but it did happen. I love the Winchesters and would buy the Claw extraction in a heart beat. But,when you get a lemon, you either make it into lemonaid(Crush the hell out of it), or you fine a way to make it right.
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  • aglore
    I personally think it had to do more with using to heavy of a bullet for the barrel twist rate or it was a squib load.

    AlleninAlaska
    Delta Firearms & Supplies
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  • shootinfool
    All I know is that I sent it to Winchester shootin like C**p and they sent it back shootin like a dream.
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  • jamesgray
    Chuck Hawks says that for dangerous game he reccommends the claw because if you happen to be trampled on the ground rolling around or for some other reason operating the weapon upsidedown the claw will operate properly while the push may not.

    Also the push can cause jamming: if you double stroke the bolt it can try to pick up a second cartridge. Claw will hold onto the one cartridge. That's all according to Chuck.
    Didn't say anything about keyholing or tumbling. Probably has more to do with defectiveness than being a claw.
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  • shootinfool
    Good thoughts Jamesgrey. I never thought of having to use the gun upside down. I can see where the claw would be a god send. As for the double stroking the push feed, it does happen quite a bit. That is a definate flaw of the push.
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