.410 double barrel youth

lawmann

April 01, 2003 16:50

hello

I want to introduce my daughter (10 years old) to a small double
barrel. Does anyone know of a good .410 double available in a youth model. I am not necessarily looking for "cheap."

Thanks

Jim

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  martzkj@msn.com

  April 01, 2003 19:20

  Hi Jim, i don't recall ever seeing a youth model double. I would guess because of weight and price. Most makes probably feel a youth gun is better suited in a single shot or a pump. I could be wrong and their my be some out there. I'm sure someone will let us know. Just my two cents. i think a 20 would be a much better choice for a starter.

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  bambihunter

  April 01, 2003 22:41

  I don't recall a double specifically labeled as youth, but I have seem some with relatively short LOP.
  If she's 10, she might have trouble holding the extra weight of 2 barrels up front.
  I think I'd start with a single-shot H&R that was a 20 gauge and also had a rifle caliber barrel too. Then she can start learning both sides.
  If you truely don't care about the cost, get a nice Citori or something like that, and have the LOP shortened and maybe shorten the barrels too so it won't be so barrel heavy.
  My 2 cents worth... Good luck on it, it's great to get 'em started early.

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  old single shots

  April 02, 2003 01:38

  I don't know of a 410 double made specifically as a youth model.However many of the older good quality 410 doubles were built on a small dainty frame with thin lightweight barrels.Only problem--They don't come cheap. One that comes to mind is a Lefever nitro special.The Stevens 311 is easy to find and reasonable but in my opinion,quite heavy and clubby for the guage.

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  Old hickory

  April 02, 2003 05:28

  I disagree that the 311 Stevens is "clubby" it was a cheap gun but remarkable for what it offered! Even at $275 for a used one it is a good value. It weighs about 6 1/4 and has the safety advantage of a break open. I have an older one with a light walnut Fajen stock that goes 6 pounds even and handles like a wand. Put 1/2 oz of no 9 skeet loads in it and it does a great job on doves or rabbitsinside 28 yards.

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  Sunray

  April 02, 2003 10:41

  Starting her with an experts gun isn't a good idea. It's a fallacy that the .410 is good for new shooters. There's not much shot in that skinny little shell. She'll miss alot and lose interest quickly. Kids don't have the attention span to stick with shooting for a long stint in the first place and adding more diffculty won't help. So don't excpect her to shoot all day like her da does. Or at last wants to. If she starts getting bored, you'll know when, quit and take her for ice cream. Get a 20 ga semi-auto and use target loads. A gas operated semi that her da only load with one round will let you teach her how to shoot, let her actually hit something and the recoil is light.
  Just remember the very fact she wants to go shooting with her da is a good thing.

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  He Dog

  April 02, 2003 13:00

  Sunray and the others that suggest a .410 is an experts gun, not a beginners gun hit the 10 ring. Sunray's suggestion is excellent.

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  JudgeColt

  April 02, 2003 14:23

  I agree that the .410 is a poor gun with which to start a new shooter. The skill required to hit anything with such a small shot load makes it discouraging for a new shooter. The problem is recoil with anything larger. A 28-gauge is not much better than a .410 for hitting anything, but it is better. A 20-guage is better yet. Each has more recoil than the .410. Recoil tolerance is the issue.
  
  A gas-operated 20-guage, like a Remington M1100, which is available in youth models, might be a consideration. The recoil is fairly light with the lightest loads and the gun is not heavy at about 6.5 pounds.
  
  If a .410 double still appeals, the ones that are built on true small frames are always at the higher end. Inexpensive guns like the Savage M311, which is a 12-guage frame where the twin .410 barrels do not even stick out past the frame width, and which have a big chunk of steel below the barrels to fill in the void, are at least a pound heavier than the true small-frame double guns.
  
  A high end double .410 will weigh about five pounds, not six or more. To get such a gun will cost at least $1,000 and the upper limit can be six figures. I have been in love with .410 doubles since I shot a L. C. Smith .410 as a kid. Now I cannot afford one, nor a Parker, A. H. Fox, etc..
  
  The new Weatherby Orion .410 double looks like as close as I could justify to the high end old or new guns. One is on my want list. They apparently are made in Spain. I suspect by AyA but I am not sure. AyA are very high quality guns so that would be a good thing.

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  whitewolf

  April 03, 2003 03:18

  I agree the .410 is not the way to go with a new shooter. I was loaned a neighbors .410 single shot full choke[B)]when I was 8 and started shooting, after hunting with it for a couple of years I finally got the nerve to shoot my fathers gun (12 gas operated auto) and found out the kick was much less[:)]. I have a 10 year old daughter and she loves to shoot pellet guns with me in the back yard. She has shot my 20 ga Citori, but had more problems with the weight than the kick. I will soon graduate her to her own 1100 youth 20 ga.[;)]
  
  The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
  - Thomas Jefferson

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  hitman#1

  April 05, 2003 17:14

  I was probably 10 whae I got my H&R 20. That SOB kicked so hard I wouldnt shoot it. I was afraid of what a 12 would do, Finally my dad had me shoot his rem 1100 12g, I would bet a dollar that the felt recoil from that 1100 was much lighter. On the other hand the rem was much hevier.
  I would go with an auto regardless of what guage. If she is into this sort of thing she will use it forever, If not she probably give it to you
  So buy the one you want

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