FAL alternative?
Im thinking about buying a FAL type of gun but dont think i want a true Fal. I was wandering if anyone knew a good alternative and maybe something in a 223 but not a ruger ar15 or the Sar that is chambered in 223. Any help would be apreciated.
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The FN-FAL is a fine rifle in .308 and is available in .223.
Others of this family are the Gallil,{not sure if the spelling is right}, the Lithgow L1-A1, Even the H-K 91 and 93 are varients of this basic action. The H-K's differ greatly internally fron the FN, however. Most of these were or currently are available in .223 aka., 5.56mm Nato. Stay clear of the Century Arms variants of these rifle as they tend to have problems. Hope this helps, good luck.0 -
I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are looking for but here goes. FAL type but not a FAL. General shape, gas system, or what? In .223, general shape would be an Armalite AR-18 (old model). I like these better than an AR-15. Gas system; A AK or Galil and with some searching, these can be had in .223. Then again, FN does have a FAMAS or some such name rifle in .223. 0 -
This is a confusing question to me, but not as confusing as Python's answer.
I am aware of no FAL ever being made in .223. The Galil is NOT in the FAL family. Because of its action type, it must be considered a member of the Kalashnikov (AK-47) family, as must the FN FNC (which is a .223 FN-made rifle). The H-K 91/93 are so far from the same type of action as the FAL that I am at a loss for words. The H-K 91/93 are delayed roller-block, recoil-operated actions, while the FAL is a gas-operated action.
Perhaps what the poster is seeking, but has failed to clearly state, is a FAL clone, rather than a genuine FN-made FAL rifle. In that case, there are many clones available, but the kit rifles are usually pretty crude. Most can be made functional with some work. The DSA clones are the only ones worth buying in my opinion, but then the much higher price over the kit rifles may be the sticking point for the poster. A "true" FN FAL would be a pre-ban rifle and would cost well over $2,000.
FN does not make the FAMAS. That is a French design. The FN FNC is a .223 rifle based on the Kalashnikov (AK-47) action.
If the poster wants more information, a clarified question will have to be posted. Punctuation and appropriate capitalization help to clarify meaning as well. (The poster's phrase "ruger ar15" could be interpreted to imply that the poster thinks the AR-15 was made by Ruger. I doubt that the poster is that misinformed, but it could be. Appropriate capitalization and punctuation are necessary for easy reading and clear meaning.)0 -
Ok i have a SAR allready but am also wanting something simular to the fal but in 223 and not 8mm. Thanks for your replys
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SAR in 8mm? What rifle are you talking about? The SAR-1 is a Romanian AK basically in 7.62x39. Is this the gun you have? If so, there is also an SAR-3 in .223 available. Springfield Armory made a FAL variant (SAR-4800?) in 308 and 223. I would bet that the mags are hard to find for the .223. Maybe a new Armalite AR-180B would be something you'd fancy.
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As far as I know, the FAL (not fal) was never made in 8mm, although with 30 million having been made, perhaps there was a contract for some in 8mm (what "variety" of 8mm?). 7.62x51 NATO was the most common chambering of the FAL.
Any SAR-4800 will accept H-K magazines of the same chambering, so magazine availability is no better or worse than comparable H-K magazine availability.
Although still very unclear, apparently the poster is looking for a rilfe that LOOKS a bit like a FAL, but in .223 chambering. A FN FNC uses furniture similar to the FAL so it looks a similar to a FAL. The already-mentioned pre-ban ArmaLite AR-180 also comes to mind, as does the Robinson Armament Company M96 (a rifle similar to the Stoner). The advantage of the M96 (and FNC) is that it accepts M16 magazines.
The current ArmaLite AR-180B looks similar to the original AR-180, but accepts M16 magazines. The one-piece butt stock and receiver do not appeal to me. "Real" AR-180 pre-ban rifles are not that much more than an AR-180B and are worth the difference to me. (M16 magazines are easily adapted to fit the AR-180, and yet remain functional in the M16/AR-15.)0 -
judgecolt: I used to own an FN FNC and I can say it is a true FN, not an AK derivitive as you indicated. Damn fine rifle as are all FN, but heavy as hell.
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pack rat633, you misunderstand what I said about the FN FNC. The gas system on the FNC is functionally the same as that on a Kalashnikov, but the FNC is not "an AK derivative" in the sense that it looks like an AK. It is a derivative in the design of its gas system.
While weight is a relative thing, the FNC weighs 8.1 pounds (some brochures say 8.4 pounds) unloaded, about the same as a current Colt Match Target HBAR at 8.0 pounds. Is that "heavy as hell?" I agree it is a lot heavier than the first AR-15/M16 rifles at around 6.0 pounds, but far less than many main battle rifles.0
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