SKS add ons
I recently got what I call a paratrooper SKS. Chinese with a short spike, fixed 10rd, and 16.5" bbl. I think the importer is JPE out of Pomona California with a sn# in the 200,000 range. How can I tell if it is pre ban or not? What can or can't I add to it (folder, detachable mag, pistol grip, etc)?
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Here is site that explains as good as it can be explained.
Pre-ban don't mean much unless you can prove it!
Is a date stamped on the receiver by the importer's stamp?
If not there is no way to prove it is pre or post ban.
Therefore you can't have a bayonet on a post ban Chinese.
Read the info on the line then decide if you can or can't modify it.
http://www.simonov.net/
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A Grumpy Old Man0 -
I did read it, but am still scratching my head. The gun came with a spike already on it. It also came with a seperate det 30rd mag and folding stock. So, I guess if I want the folder, I have to leave the fixed 10rd mag and grind off the bayo lug?
Or, keep the wood and bayo and add the 30rd det mag?
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Join the confused crowd. Even BATF can't tell you.
Does it have the import date? If not then you already have a problem
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A Grumpy Old Man0 -
In general there isn't really any good way to tell whether your SKS is pre or post. The guns came with the bayonet lugs intact for several years after they could no longer have bayonets on them. The serial number ranges were all over the place from one extreme to another. They were produced in several factories. In some cases the exact same serial number was on more than one SKS that came into the US. After the fed's noticed that, they added a letter code to some of the gun's serial numbers to distinguish one from the other. The fact is that the majority of the SKS's came in after the ban so there are very few pre-ban models. Their prices weren't all that inviting until their later years.
Many people think that the SKS's were $60-100 when they were first available. That is very wrong. Initially they were $200-300. It wasn't until many years later that their prices became so ridiculously low. It was only then that they started to get main stream exposure and sales began to rise. The Paratrooper models were also a later configuration. There was found to be a demand, so there was a supply made available.
The records that tracked the various SKS's coming into this country are very difficult, if not impossible to access. Many people just bought the accessories they wanted and put them on their guns, not knowing that they were doing anything illegal. The accessories were there, they wanted them, they put them on, the mags the folding stocks, etc. Unfortunately confirming the exact nature of you rifle is nearly impossible. The age of the weapon isn't the deciding factor. It is the date of importation that makes the difference. Best of luck.0 -
I did some looking around, local stores, gun show, & the web. I've seen them in all configurations and nobody seemed to know or care. I went to a gun show last week and saw a Yugo SKS, that I know was recently imported with a grenade launcher, blade bayo, pistol grip, & folding stock. How many points was that? 0 -
The number of technically illegal guns I've seen at gun shows, and in gun shops is amazing. There are all kinds of post ban firearms that have been configured as prebans. At gun shows, it surprizing that people check them in through law officers hired to handle security, apparently the officers don't know or don't care they have illegal guns right there in front of them. I suppose some of that might depend on the state you live in, I doubt you could get away with that in CA. I've been told that, unless "they" really want to get you, they won't bother you about it. But if you get busted for drugs or some other offense, the gun infractions will be something to add to their list, no doubt to be used as bargaining chips when they want to plea bargain.
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Here's another one for ya. I have a chinese post ban norinco sks. I know it's post ban because the bayonet lug is ground off of it. Am I allowed 1 evil feature? Like say a flash hider or a detachable mag?
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Here's my thinking, for what it's worth. I need to use a couple of examples, say, the Polytech M14S and the MAK90.
The MAK90, of course, is post ban, and was imported without any of the "evil 5" assault weapons features. With only imported parts, it is illegal to add even one of the five assault weapons features. However, if you add enough US made parts (I think it's five or six US made parts) it becomes legal to attach one of those features, namely, the pistol grip. This can be done by different companies, or dealers sell "US compliance parts sets" which make it legal to add a pistol grip to the MAK90.
The Polytech M14S was imported without any assault weapons features. Even the flash hider was fake, and it had no bayonet lug. However, Fulton Armory offers an "upgrade" service, where they will modify the M14S. Part of that upgrade is the addition of a genuine MIL-SPEC flash hider. No other assault features, just the flash hider. I'm sure they also include enough US made parts to allow it to qualify as a US made rifle (same as the MAK90 conversion, probably five or six parts).
It is my thinking, then, that you could add ONE and only ONE assault weapons characteristic to an imported rifle, as long as you add enough US made parts to make it technically qualify as a US made rifle. Unfortunately, I don't think they make enough US made SKS parts to make such a conversion.
Of course, the European (Yugo) SKS rifles being imported have a bayonet attached, as well as a grenade launcher. But they don't have detatchable magazines and are old enough to qualify as Curio and Relics. That would be the technical difference with them. Adding a folding stock to one of those would make it more than a "C&R".
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