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sunranchwyo
How do you go about getting a FFL?

My civilian qualification from the Marines was to operate a

target range and I'm trying to see what it will take to do just that.

Thanks
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  • sunranchwyo
    where can i get one? how much is license now? e-me please. thanks

    e-me at cowyboy@yahoo.com
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  • nmyers
    All the information you need to know is on the ATF website, www.atf.treas.gov

    However, you might also want to check the archives on this forum, as this question comes up about once a month.

    Getting an FFL is only one small part of a larger project: going into the firearms business. Your objective should not be to get an FFL so that you can buy guns wholesale for yourself and your buddies. 30 years ago you could do that, but not today. The BATF will not issue you an FFL unless you can show them that you are, in fact, going into business. And, to do that, you usually need a FEIN, a state tax number, possibly a traders license, zoning for your premises (or evidence that you are in compliance with zoning regulations, etc.)

    Neal
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  • intercessor
    Do you want it to collect with, or do you want to be a dealer? Collector license is only $30 for three years, first time dealer I think is now $300, and I think they are makeing it difficult to get if you don't have a store front business. They are trying to squeze out the guys who work out of their basement.
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  • vipereater
    More details needed on the collector license. Thanks

    Vipereater
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  • intercessor
    A collector license,[C&R], will allow you to buy anything over 50 years old, or anything that ATF declares as "collectable". You can buy interstate, without filling out a yellow sheet or haveing a background check. You will still have to jump through all the hoops to buy a modern firearm just like anyone else. You can buy direct from the importers, such as Century Arms, SOG, etc., and you can buy and have shipped direct to you from Gun Broker sellers. Youn can bypass haveing to go through a dealer and pay his handeling fee on any firearm classified as a Curio of Relic. You have to keep a log book, just like a dealer, with a record of where you aquired the firearm, and if you sell it , who it went to. If you decide to drop your license, you do not have to turn your records over to ATF like a dealer has to. [When I closed my business, I was required to send all of my accumulated yellow sheets and all of my bound records of all the firearms that had ever been bought or sold to ATF.] With a C&R, when you drop your license, you can pitch your book. No requirement to report. Youn can buy a C&R gun at a gun show by simply paying for your purchase and giving the vender a signed copy of your FFL. I always carry a couple of copies with me. You never know when something will show up. Hope this helps. Let me know if you need a specific answer. God Bless!
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  • Jackass420
    intercessor or anyone else who knows, hi i too am fixing to get my C&R. i have filled out both forms, but am confused as to which i am to send to my CLEO (Chief law enforcement officer). i know that it is the 7CR form, but does that mean the application or the compliance??? also, after obtaining a license, will i be held to normal waiting periods required by my state? and as far as "disposing" of arms "anywhere (so the ATF laws read)" does that mean that i can sell to non- licensees in my state (say... a friend)? your help is much obliged.
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  • intercessor
    I'm not up on all the initial forms. I just did my renewal, and all I had to do was take a copy of the renewal to my cleo. As for wait time, if it's a C&R, there shouldn't be any, if you give them a copy of yourFFL. Regular firearms you will be subject to local laws and regs just like anybody else. As for 'disposing to friends", be careful not to make a business of it. I think the key is doing it as a regular course of business of doing it for a profit just to make a little extra pocket money. You can trade and sell just like a non-licensee, but I wouldn't put my FLL privilege at risk by doing it to excess. Have a greatday, God Bless!
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  • nmyers
    intercessor makes some good points.

    State & local laws take precedence over federal law, so a C&R may not be an advantage for collectors in some states. For example, those states that require that all handgun transfers go through FFLs may require you to have out-of-state purchases sent to a dealer, not directly to you.

    ATF does not have a definitive number of guns that a collector may buy & sell before crossing the line that separates him from being an unlicensed dealer. Most of us don't want to get even close to that line. Being an unlicensed dealer won't just cost you your C&R, it will get you jail time in a federal facility.

    Think about the consequences of using your C&R to buy a gun for immediate resale to a friend. Suppose that someone stole the gun from the friend & used it to shoot up a school. Think about what you are going to say to the federal agents who want to know why a gun that you bought with your C&R was sold 2 weeks later, & was then used for a crime. WE might understand, but don't count on a sympathetic jury.

    Or, think about the guys who use their C&R to get the quantity discount on 5 of the same WWII bolt action rifles, pick the best gun to keep (or install all the good parts on), and then sell the rest for as much they paid for the original 5. To them, they are just "improving their collection", but to an ATF agent looking to boost his merit pay bonus, it might just look like "dealing without a license".

    So, think before you do something that could have such serious consequences.

    Neal
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