9MM vs 10MM Question
If a 9MM Parabelum is 9x19 then what is a 10MM(10x??)?
I was just sitting here wondering why Ruger never came out with a 10MM. Is it because the casing would be to long for the framework they are using now? Would they have to completely Retool?
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I was just sitting here wondering why Ruger never came out with a 10MM. Is it because the casing would be to long for the framework they are using now? Would they have to completely Retool?
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I haven't known 10mm to be a real popular cartridge for general, widespread use. And if I have always read ruger correctly they tend to go with popular cartridges with most all of their bread and butter lines of firearms. 0 -
RugerNiner,Ruger made a Blackhawk in .38/40/10mm auto dual cylinder gun in 1990 for Buckeye Sports called the Buckeye Special.
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RugerNiner, the 10mm is essentially a .40 but is about 1/8" longer for more powder capacity. I remember back when I got my 10mm one of the federal agencies (I think it was the FBI) had adopted the 10, but then dropped it in favor of the .40 after agents were complaining of the recoil. Geez, what wusses - my wife can shoot it, and she doesn't like recoil!
I think you were referring to thier semi-automatics when you were talking about the framework. If that is the case, I'd have to say there is something to that. Not to mention that it'd have to be stronger too to handle the 10. Most of thier revolvers would handle it just fine. I think rldowns3 might have hit the nail on the head with why they don't offer it in thier revolver line. I don't think I'd choose the 10mm over some of the other offerings for a revolver, unless you could shoot .40's also to save some money. Of course, all this is speculation... But I'd like to think it is an educated guess. [;)]
The 10mm is a great cartridge. Everything I've seen listed on it for most factory loadings it beats .38 special, it's pretty much even with standard .357 loads, and can be hot-loaded up to .41 mag levels. It is what I grab when things go "bump in the night".0 -
Rugerniner;
The 10mm auto is as very good defense round that simply never garnered a big following. The bren 10, Llama, Colt and a few other manufacturers built pistols for the round. The 10mm Auto is a powerul cartridge. In some loadings they come very close to the .357 Magnums ballistics, in others rhey dead even. Some have said the 10 is hard to control in repid fire sessions, I have not had any problem with it. Personally I like it better than the 9mm or the .40 S&W. I own two Brens A Colt gold cup and A Llama in 10mm. They are excellent autos, the only draw back to the 10 is the ammo is kind of spendy in factory loads, Hand loading is the cheapest way for me. The 10mm is 25mm long. If you don't mind abusung you're pistol they can be loaded to approach the ballistics of the .41 mag. The Bren 10 Special Forces will tolerate this type of abuse on a limited basis, but I can't think of any logical reason to subject it to it.0 -
RugerNiner,
"The 10mm Auto represents a relatively recent attempt to produce a cartridge of small size and maximum performance. Introduced in 1983, the powerhouse is the brainchild of Jeff Cooper and associates, with the goal of producing an optimal combat cartridge and weapon.
The cartridge was co-developed with the Bren-Ten semi-auto pistol, a derivation of the respected Czech CZ-75 design and originally intended primarily for military and law enforcement applications. The original manufacturer of the Bren-Ten, Dornaus & Dixon Enterprises of Huntington Beach California, is out-of-business.
Some 10mm Auto specifications approach high-power rifle loads, such as a mean working pressure of 37,000 psi and a maximum pressure of 44,000 psi. Producing substantially more muzzle energy than a .357 Magnum, it is double that of the .45 ACP.
A Smith & Wesson 10mm Auto was adopted by the FBI as their standard issue sidearm in the late 1980's. Limiting it's general commercial appeal is the heavy recoil of the 10mm, as many shooters seem to prefer the less-powerful .40 S&W Auto as an alternative to the forceful 10mm.
The 200 grain load has a muzzle velocity of 1200 fps and 635 ft-lbs energy from a 5-inch barrel."
"In the early 1980's, the 10mm Auto came upon the scene as a modern, high-performance semi-auto pistol cartridge designed for military and law-enforcement applications. Perceived as more cartridge than needed by many shooters, the .40 S&W was developed as a wildcat as a lower-powered alternative. That being said, the .40 S&W still sports impressive ballistics indeed!
The .40 S&W was formed by shortening the case of the 10mm and adopting a slightly lighter bullet. As such, it represents a great improvement in stopping power over the conventional 9mm Parabellum, without excessive recoil or other handling problems.
The .40 S&W has become quite popular for self-defense as well as hunting. The 180 gr. factory load lists a velocity of 1015 fps with 412 ft-lbs. of energy."
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I also strongly believe in the merits of the 10mm. Unfortunately the only guns ruger has which would be capable of handling the 10 would be the blackhawk and redhawk. The gp-100 has too small of a cylinder diameter, smith put it in their L frame, but only by using a titanium cylinder. overall loaded length is 1.26". Muzzle energy is on par with .357 in almost all cases, and can easily approach .41 mag in handloads. I converted a Para Ordnace p-16 into 10mm last year and took a deer with it. 200 grain hornady xtp at 1285 fps. There is also a 10mm mag which is 10x1.25" as much as I like Rugers, I don't think the auto frames would hold up. Even the colt delta elites have a reputation for short life spans shooting a lot of full power 10mm.
Why does everyone feel the need to burn that much powder?0
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