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What is the Big Deal with controlled feeding?is it really better? Why?
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  • Ampersand
    The control feed got a lot of press a few years ago in the gun magazines and a lot of people jumped on board. I think Ruger may have paid them to publish these stories as they came out with the Mark II rifle right about them and it has control feed. They say that this is better for hunting dangerous game as it is more reliable but I don't think it makes a huge difference. How many of us hunt elephants and tigers anyway?

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  • 4GodandCountry
    That is an old and unanswerable question. Both have their good and bad points and some people prefer one to the other. The fact that "control round feed" is more reliable than push feed may have some merit in that it controls the round to insure a proper feed but the design of the bolt face is not as strong as a push bolt and could be a point of failure. Its a toss up and most feel ones as good as the other.

    "Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet."
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  • MrGnA
    Like these guys said. Magazine after magazine showed field tests of both. The push feed had bad press about cartridges tumbling out if the rifle was anything other than upright level. But they put that to rest showing rifle after rifle cycling rounds without failure...upside down! The push feeds do have a stronger bolt face, but really how strong is strong. Like the old addage: Pregnant is pregnant doesn't really matter how much does it?
    Don't let it influence your rifle making decision, there's plenty of other things to consider.
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  • MIKE WISKEY
    JUST MY THOUGHTS FROM THE REPAIR SIDE, I HAVE TO REPLACE A LOT MORE 'PUSH' FEED EXTRACTORS THAN C.R.FEED EXTRACTORS (ABOUT 10/1). 200 MILLION MAUSERS CANN'T BE ALL WRONG. IF YOU ARE SHOOTING FOR FUN MAKES NO DIFFERENCE, IF YOU ARE SHOOTING FOR SOMETHING IMPORTANT (TROPHY, YOUR LIFE, ECT.) C.R. FEED.
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  • Iroquois Scout
    When I was shooting in high power NRA matches in the 1950-60's, I used a Remington Model 700 match rifle in caliber .30-06. This rifle had over 15,000 rounds through it and was rebarrled three times. The bolt and extractor were never changed. In ten years there were NO failures to either load or extract. My Remington 721 Model B in caliber 300 H&H magnum, bought new in 1954, has somewhere around 1000 rounds through it with no problems. My wife's Model 722 in caliber 257 Roberts has several hundred rounds through it without any problems. As stated by several other posters, the debate over push feed vs controlled feed was stirred up by writers for the gun magazines to advance their own agenda. This debate started at about the same time as the beginning of the cult of the pre-1964 Model 70 Winchester.
    I think that if Mike Wiskey will check his records, he will find that most of the extractors that he replaced was due to costomer request rather then from breakage. At one time it was considered the "in" thing to have the factory extractor replaced by a Sako type. In fact the only extractor that I personally have seen break, was a Mauser claw type extractor.
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  • woodyd70
    For the average guy, I really don't think you'd ever know the difference between the two. The control round feed was developed for the "dangerous game" hunter who needed the "reliability" of a controlled round feed. I have always leaned toward the controlled round feed, just because I figure you'd be better off to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. If you're hunting on the North American continent, I can only think of a few animals you may really "need" CRF for, maybe grizzly, brown bear, etc........ Just my .02, hope this helps,

    woodyd
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  • aglore
    Needing and wanting whichever is a matter of preference. How many animals do you plan on shooting while hanging upside down from a tree? Even in that situation, both will function flawlessly. Not a single bear I have shot, Black or Brown has been done with a CRF rifle. A majority of today's military forces around the world use push feed actions, even ours.

    AlleninAlaska
    Delta Firearms & Supplies

    He who dares not offend cannot be honest.
    -- Thomas Paine
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  • MIKE WISKEY
    I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT REPLACING THE PUSH FEED EXTRACTORS WITH THE SAKO TYPE, JUST REPAIRING BROKEN ONES. I TOO HAVE OWNED MOST OF THE RIFLE ACTIONS MENTIONED ABOVE AND THEY ARE VERY RELIABLE, BUT THE CLAW EXTRACTOR WILL DO MORE THAN ANY OF THEM IN A PINCH (DIRTY CHAMBER, UNDERSIZED CASING, OVERLOAD). MOST BROKEN MAUSER EXTRACTORS ARE CAUSED BY NOT FEEDING A ROUND FROM THE MAGAZINE (JUST DROPPING IT INTO THE CHAMBER) WITH OUT BEVELING THE LEADING EDGE FIRST.
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  • bambihunter
    I agree - marketing ploy... I won't be loading my rifle upside down (the scope is way off if you fire it upside down, so what's the point?) [;)]
    Even my .458 mag was push feed and I never had a problem with it and I shot it as often as my wallet and shoulder would allow...

    It doesn't matter what you shoot, just shoot it well...
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