M-1 clip?
The other day I saw an en-bloc clip that looked remarkably like a M-1 Garand clip, it even had the cartridges in it. I didn't have a mike, so I couldn't take measurements. It held ten rounds of what looked like 06 cases, but with a smaller diameter bullet. The cases didn't even have headstamps on them.
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Almost certainly .276 Pederson which was the original test caliber for the Garand, before Gen. MacArthur ordered that for logistical reasons, the new rifle accept the same ammo as the 1903. Not really rare per se, but quite uncommon and worth a fair amount though I don't really know the value; last I saw sold for about $40.
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Jonk- Is that same Pederson as in the "Pederson Device" for '03 Springfields??? 
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Okay Jonk, I know what you're talking about now. Does anybody know if any of the Pederson Garands are around today. 0 -
I'm not sure about the Garands. Very few were made. Probably there are a few, just as there are a few 1903 Springfields chambered in 30-03. I just saw a very rare Pederson semi auto rifle which is NOT the same as the Garand, but was one of the competitors in the competition at the last OGCA show. I don't know what the guy was asking. In any case, should one surface, it would probably be worth a small mint, considering that an all original regular Garand is worth $1000 or so, and the early models (perhaps this would be a gas trap?) would fetch even more. I am interested to know myself I hope a US arms buff weighs in-- I'm more Axis myself.
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What is this? Someone has a Garand question and I was caught napping!
John Garand had been working on developing a new semi automatic service rifle since the end of WWI and there is no point in boring all of you with his previous rifle developments as all were simply tool room models. In 1926 the Ordnance Department asked Garand to adapt features of one of his developemental rifles to traditional gas operation with a cyclinder and piston. Garand submitted two rifles; one in .30-06 and the other in the new .276 which was then under study. This cartridge used a 125 gr. bulet and had a mean velocity of 2700 fps. John Pederson, an engineer and design consultant for Remington Arms (and the designer of the Pedersen Device) was working on a competing rifle design under a $10,000 contract with the Army.
Garands .276 rifle was given the designation T3 and used the early "Gas Trap" fixture at the end of the muzzel. A 13 member board of officers appointed for the selection of a new semi automatic rifle filed a report in October, 1929 reccomending the T1 Pedersen and T3 Garand rifles for further testing. Several other test rifles were then dropped from further consideration. By the end of 1930 it was clear that the Garand design was superior to the Pedersen and the T1 Pedersen design was dropped and he walked away with his $10,000 fee.
In the mean time twenty .276 Garand Rifles were ordered at a unit cost of about $2300- a fortune in those depression days! These twenty rifles were then designated T3E2 and were at long last completed in April, 1931. Interestingly, even while the .276 rifle was being planned for adoption Mr. Garand, with a great deal of good sense, continued work on a .30-06 version of his rifle. The .276 vs. .30-06 issue came to a final desision in early 1932 when Chief of Staff, MacArthur denied the adoption of the new round, due mainly to the huge reserves of .30 cal ammuntion then in storage from WWI. At the end of Febuary, 1932 the Adjutant General, John Shuman, Instructed the Chief of Ordnance to discontinue all developement of the .276 rifle and cartridge. The .30-06 was now back and Garand was ready as he'd been busy with his .30 caliber design anticipating this very thing happening!
As a result, there were only 21 .276 Garand Rifles produced; the very first tool room piece and the twenty others intended for testing. The total cost for development work on these .276 Garands was listed at a bit over $90,000 in a report from Springfield Armory dated in 1931! At the time that amount of cash would pay some 5,000 Army privates base pay for one month. I don't know of any .276 Garands in the hands of private collectors but judging from prices being asked for original "Gas Traps" today, if one should surface a six figure sum would be in order. rordog, I know this is one of my typical long and boring posts, but I hope it answered your question.
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Thats okay Mark, I was hoping you would answer for that very reason. 0
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