When is a handgun not a handgun??

nelchris

January 23, 2003 19:46

I see they have 16"replacement barrels for 1911 type45

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  bambihunter

  January 23, 2003 21:24

  I think they consider a handgun a rifle when you add a stock and (I think) a longer barrel...
  
  It doesn't matter what you shoot, just shoot it well...

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  Python

  January 23, 2003 21:55

  nelchris;
  You're handgun will become a carbine with the addition of a 16" barrel and any type of shoulder stock. This can be a pretty sticky point in some states and the ATF. Since these will in all likelyhood be viewed as short rifles, a classification the ATF dislikes intensely and that requires a class III license. Be careful with the modifacations with all the Regs., they can be more trouble than they are worth.

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  Laredo Lefty

  January 23, 2003 21:56

  Those 1911 conversions with the removable stock are interesting.
  If you put on the shoulder stock you had better have the 16" barrel on it, if not you have a short barreled rifle which is a crime, unless you already have a permit for it.
  You can have the long barrel without the stock, but not the other way around.

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  p3skyking

  January 23, 2003 22:44

  Not really sure what this post started out to be, but the rules for stocked pistols/rifles are pretty simple and straight-forward.
  
  Got a stock and 16 inch barrel? Install the barrel first = Long barrel pistol. Install the stock = a short (legal) carbine.
  
  The above does not apply to C96 Mausers with original stocks, Artillery Lugers with original stocks, etc. Complete list in ATF publication "Curio and Relics List". As long as you have a 16 inch barrel, you are legal (for single projectile only, shotguns {unrifled barrel} must have 18 inches of barrel, 26 inches overall)
  Thompson Contenders with their new stock really confuse people, but alas, someone will always be there to sort things out.

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  gskyhawk

  January 24, 2003 02:47

  p3skyking: can you add to what you mean by T/C new stock?

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  p3skyking

  January 24, 2003 03:14

  Sure Gskyhawk, When T/C brought out their stock for the Contender pistol (so I've been told), it was still possible to attach one of their "shorter than 16 inch barrels". This was quite a quandry for some people who were not aware of the Federal mandate for a 16 inch barrel. They could run afoul of the law without being aware of it. Some circles were worried than even having a stock and not having any 16 inch barrel would be enough to incite some eager beaver Treasury people. Happily, this does not seem to have happened as I have heard of no instance.

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  nelchris

  January 24, 2003 05:27

  Thanks for the info

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