7.62X54R Question # 2
Dear Gentelmen: In my hands I have a plain cardbord box of 20 copperwashed a p rounds the box is marked 7.62X54R they were $2.00 at a gun show a few years ago. On the loading bench is another box of factory reloads marked 7.62X54 I have been measuring these with a caliper and can find no dif. in the two. Now as I look at the guns for these rounds both Mossine Nag. one (the type 53 jap) says 7.62X54R stamped on the bbl. The other (the one I am butchering) is stamped 7.62X54 I have shot both rounds from each gun with no apearent negitive effects. I must conclude that the rounds are the same. Now my question, with respect to others who have already made there opinions known. Is there a dif. in the two rounds? Does the 'R' suffix indicate a rimmed cartridge? I would like to keep this under 10 replys so we can keep it in this forum, I realise the question has been tossed around and I will not revisit it again. So I await the opinon of the masses. Thanks
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the "R" means "Russian"
I know everybody says rimmed, which it may mean to most now however way back when before the 7.62x54mm was a standardized cartridge tons of eastern bloc countries made their own slightly different version of the 7.62x54mm cartridge, however, after Russia became a permenant part of the European Permanent Coordinated Commission, the final name (and design) - "7.62x54R" - of the cartridge was accepted.0 -
the R means rimmed , like in 11x52r, 8x56r, 8x50r,and 8x52r for some examples 0 -
The "R" means rimmed in those cartridges, but for the 7.62x54R it stands for "Russian" for the reasons I stated above. At least that's what I was told when I secured a visit to the Kalishnikov factory in Izhevsk, Russia, just outside of Moscow. The differences in the cartridges that everybody manufactured way back when were very slight differences and most of the ammo was interchangeable but some weren't and instead of having all those different types of ammo floating around in their militaries they just standardized it into the russian designed cartridge. 0 -
You are correct. In the European metric system the "R" stands for rimmed. The most common designation for the 1891 Russian military rifle cartridge is 7.62X54R but cartridges marked 7.62X53R will occasionally be seen. They are however, the same cartridge. I don't know why the box of reloads does not have the "R" in the label as it is an oversight that can lead to this type of confusion. If the cartridges from this box are rimmed and every thing else checks out, I would think that they are in fact the Russian round. Iam not aware of a 7.62X54 rimless metric cartridge. The closest to this designation would be the 7.62X51 which is of course, the .308 Winchester. However, the two cartridges are so different in size and shape that I fail to see how anyone could confuse the two. 0 -
Rldowns3, what you were told by the Russians is only partly true. The Russians did in fact standardize the 7.62X54R military cartridge in about 1896, however, in the metric system the letter "R" has always ment "rimmed". This can be seen in the designation of rimmed cartridges that were developed in the years before the Russian military round. Several examples of these cartridges have been given in the other posts and I don't see any purpose in repeating them here. 0
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