Burris Signature or Zeiss Conquest
I am looking at getting a Burris Signature 3-12x44 or a Zeiss Conquest 3.5-10X44. I have used the Zeiss Conquest before and it was good but I have not used the Signature yet. I was not impressed with the optics of the Burris Fullfield II. They both have great warranties and similar designs so I am just interested in the quality of the picture when looking though them. Do the Signature lens match the clarity of the Conquest lens (I know they do with the light gathering). Thanks for any help.
Mad Dog
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I beat the living snot out of Burris scopes in Alaska for almost 20 years. They survived 55 degrees below zero snowmobile rides across the bearing sea, near freezing salt baths in Katchemak Bay and the general nasty stuff the outdoors can offer to a scope. All of them still work, none have ever failed. I have never had the zero change and the optics are crisp, clear and the lenses have HARD coatings. I know the coating are hard because I've had to scrape ice off the lens with a dirty wool glove thumb and a stick. It was freezing rain in Homer and the moose decided to show at that time. It still looks like new. (IMHO) 0 -
I do not know the Zeiss Conquest, but am a proponent of Burris Signature. I think the optics in my Signatures are equal to the optics in my wifes Leica binocs, and my Leica spotting scope. They seem to hold up well as demonstrated above better than I am ever likely to do. I have used some Zeiss binos, and was not impressed with the ergonomics, but for the size they were very light weight and seemed well made. I really don't think you could go wrong either way. 0 -
Unless the zeiss is a euro model, I would have to skip it. I did an honest test with the conquest, grand slam, and sightron at the store,..the grand slam glass was the best, followed by the conquest, then the sightron. I have 3 burris signatures (the 3-12x44 is on order for the 338RUM) and I can say that for the money,..the signature series is a super deal. I would however STAY AWAY from the posi-lock. Zeiss glass is great,..as long as it has the T3 coatings and the V" series lenses but for the overpriced tag on the conquest,..I would damn sure buy an IOR Valdada first,..that is 2-3x the scope the conquest will ever be. MHO
why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
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The signature series Burris lens are lots better than the Fullfields are.
I have a few 8X32 Signature Series that I am extremely happy with.
As noted before pass on the Posi Lock as they are not all there cracked up to be.
Gun control is hitting what your aiming at.0 -
So is the Signature Select series as good as the regular Signature series?
Thanks again.[:)]
Mad Dog0 -
Travis,..the signature select series is a redeux of the signature line. The turrets have been moved to the center of the tube instead of set foreward like the older versions. The adjustment rings have also been knurled with thicker grooves to grab ahold of. That is the only difference. The Burris signature series scopes don't offer a lot of internal adjustment because they employ internal lenses larger than most 30MM tube scopes use. This limits the up/down adjustments,..BUT offer a BRIGHT light gathering and transmiting scope. The signatures I have are brighter than the vari-x III's they replaced. My 4-16x44 with the e-dot illuminated reticle has accounted for hundreds of pounds of meat that the leupy would have left me wanting. Unless you want to "click" to your target,..the burris wins hands down in my experience.
Now,..if clicking is more your game,..the IOR Valdada would be the scope I looked at (unless I went with a nightforce NXS). The MP8 reticle in the IOR is super precise for ranging and hold-over and the steel-to-steel adjustments are beyond reproach and the zeiss T3 coatings on the German glass makes for a scope that rivals the Swarovski you are fond of. BUT,..they ARE tactical scopes which withstand LOTS os abuse with no loss of zero. I prefer the tactical style scopes,...just because they perform under any condition and are NEVER refused when warranty work is needed.
for what it's worth,..I have replaced every scope that I use as a hunting rifle with the burris line. After that,..the next step is the IOR and then the Nightforce NXS. I'll put the burris lense against scopes costing 50% more. Mr Burris was the man who created the Redfield scopes of years gone by when they were one of the best scopes. Redfield refused to pay him for his efforts and give him his due,..so he set out to put them second behind him,...and he has not only done that but put leupold on probation as well[8] BUY ONE,..you'll buy another one.[8]
why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
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JustC doesn't work for Burris, nor do I but we sound like it. I currently have 3 Signatures and a pistol scope, with a 4th Signature about to be ordered. I also have Grand Slam and Leupold Vari-CIII's, Along with Nikon Monarch, Pentax, and a dozen or more older Redfields, B&L's and a couple of Weavers. Schmidt and Bender is probably better, and much spendier, but for the mid-price range $350-$500 say, I don't think you can beat Burris. 0 -
Burris, alot better bang for the buck.. you're taking a top shelf Burris vs. a Zeiss' lowest priced scope. 
"I will no longer debate a liberal because I feel they are beneath contempt. Just communicating with one contaminates a person." - whiteclouder0 -
Thanks guys.[:D]
My Burris Signature is on order ($379 including shipping). I really like the 3-12 variables and I love the euro design scopes so if the clarity is as good as described I am sure I will be a happy camper.[^]
Mad Dog0 -
Personally I have found the Sightron brand
to be easier to adjust and brighter. Might
even be cheaper. And I have Burris, Conquest
to compare!0
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