Mosin Nagant Question (Pics added)
Can anyone tell me what model this is.?
I've recently come across a Russian Mosin Nagant with Izhevsk proof marks. It has the Izhevsk arrow in a triangle on all parts. The Izhevsk Crest is on the barrel shank. It also has a Tula "CH" Sniper mark(upside down "u" in a circle) there. What does this mean? It is dated 1937 and has numerous symbols. None have been striked out and there is no eletric pencil marks on it. BTW none of the numbers seem to match. This riffle seems to be in great shape. I am currently in the process of giving it a cleaning. The rifling looks great and there are signs of cosmoline. Any info would be great.[8D]
On another note this has been handed down atleast once. I believe his father served in WWII. Could this be a bring home?
This is a bad pic but the upper most stamp is an upside down "u" in a circle. The on to the right which is larger is the Izhevsk Crest.
I've recently come across a Russian Mosin Nagant with Izhevsk proof marks. It has the Izhevsk arrow in a triangle on all parts. The Izhevsk Crest is on the barrel shank. It also has a Tula "CH" Sniper mark(upside down "u" in a circle) there. What does this mean? It is dated 1937 and has numerous symbols. None have been striked out and there is no eletric pencil marks on it. BTW none of the numbers seem to match. This riffle seems to be in great shape. I am currently in the process of giving it a cleaning. The rifling looks great and there are signs of cosmoline. Any info would be great.[8D]
On another note this has been handed down atleast once. I believe his father served in WWII. Could this be a bring home?
This is a bad pic but the upper most stamp is an upside down "u" in a circle. The on to the right which is larger is the Izhevsk Crest.
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Ginmaster
While I've owned a couple (Chinese 'nam bring back and a Russian 44), I'm certinaly no expert on the various arsonal markings/variants.
Thank you, for the complament however.
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Your welcome tailgunner. It was a worth a shot. [8D][8D] 0 -
I believe in addition to producing 91/30 snipers of their own, Tula was the arsenal assigned the task of transforming other arsenals guns into snipers. If there are no import marks up near the end of the barrel, then it is at least possible it is a vet bring back. This, interestingly enough, could be from WWII, Korea OR Vietnam, I think. Any pictures that you could post? There were a large number of these brought into the US fairly recently by SOG and a variety of other firms.
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Are these nagants good, accurate guns to shoot? I thought about buying one for the heck of it, only 70 bucks or so at gun shows...curious about the ammo though. Most I've seen is 70s surplus.
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Shane...The Nagants are about as good as most other military rifles of the time. The Finns did some amazing accurizing of captured Russian weapons and won several world shooting contests with them. The poles used a version of the Moisin chambered in 8mm and it is not only one of the most collectable Polish military weapons; it is reputed to be as accurate as the WZ29's, themselves a variant of the revered Mauser 98. The gun is none too gracile looking and has one of the most useless safeties ever designed, but you can scarcely argue their efficacy. The surplus guns on the market now are a very good value for the money, and come in a dizzying variety of variants. Most of the surplus ammo out there these days seems to be just fine, and I routinely see headstamps in the 80's...great bang for the buck.
"When I cease learning...I'm dead"(Me)
"When I was 14 I used to marvel at how ignorant my old man was...by the time I was 21 I was truelly amazed at how much the old bugger had learned in the intervening 7 years!" Samuel Clemens
"History is written by winners"(Patton)
"You get a lot farther with a kind word and a gun than you do with a kind word alone!"(Al Capone)
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I'll have some pic's up later tonight. I've got to finish cleaning and the reassemble it. 0 -
the 91/30 is well worth the money right now.
I enjoy shooting mine-actually shot a deer with it this year. Once well cleaned, the bolt is very smooth.
Buying another one soon, to go with it and an M44 I have.
Mosins are an aquired taste to be sure, but at the price, why not buy a true piece of history that you can shoot very,very cheap [8D]
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Check out this site for I.D. help www.7.62X54r.net
and this one for general info www.surplusrifle.com
Could have been a "bring back" but I believe most had the stock cut (and later repaired) so they would fit in a duffle bag.0 -
Ginmaster,
With the markings you are describing, you have a 91/30. This was a standard issue rifle to Soviet troops in WW2. You will find clear differences between the post 1934 rifles and the pre-1934.
If it was a sniper rifle, it would have two plugs (or holes) on the left hand side of the receiver where the scope mounted. If it was not rearsenalled, it would have a chunk of wood missing where the mount fit into the stock. The only difference between the 91/30 standard issue and the 91/30 sniper rifles was a scope. During final fire tests those rifles that were accurate and consistent were stencilled CH and generally (but not always - Soviet efficiency) sent for a scope mount.
These rifles are plentiful right now. I picked up a couple of them for under $70 along with some of their variations (M38 and M44) for about the same price. If you find one dated after 1934 that is priced over $70 right now, and it is not an original sniper, pass it by - it is overpriced.
Having said that, for the money it is a great rifle. It is fairly accurate, and the 7.62x54R cartridge is (and this is always a debated topic on this board) about as good as a .30-06. The cartridge is so good that it remains in the Russian (and former Warsaw Pact countries') arsenal. You can get a lot of great, cheap rounds for it. I reload my own as many of the surplus rounds are corrosive or so inconsistently loaded that you can go from a round at has the kick of a .223 to a round that will knock your shoulder out of place in the same box. With reload ammunition and standard iron sights (I had to adjust them from the rearsenalled setting by several MOA), I get a 1.5 inch shot group. Not bad for a rifle that is 70 years old and has seen at least one world war and who knows how many smaller "police actions".
Check out the following for more detailed information
http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/
http://www.surplusrifle.com/carbinenagant/redirect.asp
I hope this helps. Good shooting.0
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