A few ammo questions
Whats the difference between Swedish 7.5 and French MAS 7.5?
Whats the difference between Luger and Parabellum 9mm (arent both 9X19?)
Whats the difference between Tokarev 7.62X25 and Nagant 7.62X25 are they interchangeable?
Thanks.
Whats the difference between Luger and Parabellum 9mm (arent both 9X19?)
Whats the difference between Tokarev 7.62X25 and Nagant 7.62X25 are they interchangeable?
Thanks.
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quote:Whats the difference between Luger and Parabellum 9mm (arent both 9X19?)
The answer to that is yes they are both 9x19. Don't know bout the rest of em.
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So are they interchangeable (the 9X19 Parabellum and Luger). Would either work in a Glock 17 or a WW2 vintage 9mm Luger for example? 0 -
Hello, I have some boxes of Western Cartridges that have both Lugar and Parabellum on the box.
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7.62 Nagent and 7.62 Tokarev are entirely different cartridges. The Nagent has a bore of .295. The Tokarev has a bore of .307. All of the other cartridge dimensions differ also.
I'm not sure about a Swedish 7.5mm. Perhaps you mean a Swiss 7.5mm Schmidt-Rubin?????0 -
I think you have 6.5mm Swedish confused with 7.5mm French, They are completly different calibers and not interchangible. I am not aware of any 7.5mm Swedish Caliber atleast as a military loading. 0 -
The 7.62 X 25 Tokorav is a bottle-necked cartridge while the Nagant pistol cartridge is actually 7.62 X 38mm with the bullet seated completely inside the case. When this revolver is fired, the cylinder moved forward and the case (which is longer than the cylinder) is pushed into the barrel forming a seal.
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Actually Luger is more of an AMerican term, over in Europe it is referred to as 9mm Parabellum, which means "for war". The two are the same cartridge, and the parabellum was not a surname for the Luger cartridge, as that is the name it is known by almost univerally over there. 0 -
Pretty sure you meant the 7.5 SWISS, and the 7.5 French MAS. The Swiss round was designed out of the original Schmidt-Rubin 1889 cartridge, and adopted as the M1911 cartridge. A number of the older 1889 guns were altered to 1911 short rifle standard and a number were made new as the 1911 carbine. The ultimate iteration of the gun was the 1931 of which there are thousands on the market these days. The round is 7.5 x 55 mm and has a large case body that is capable of holding a charge far out of proportion to the strength of the rifles action. All in all an excellent round that I have enjoyed loading for over the last few years and have had excellent results using Hornady 190 gr. national match 308 bullets(although the original bullet weight was I believe 168 gr.) and NN140 powder.
The 7.5 x 54 French service round is another of the 308 Winchester class cartridges like the 7.5 Swiss. It has a smaller body diameter than the 7.5 Swiss or the 308 Winchester , and was designed originally for a .307 diameter, 147 gr. bullet and designated the Balle D Mdle 29. This round was developed for a French light machine gun, and drew the attention of some French ordinance officer who then adopted it as the round for the new MAS 36 rifle, designed to replace the long obsoleted Lebel rifles then in stock.
The two rounds, aside from a fleeting metric designated similarity, have little in common, and would in no way, under any circumstances, be considered interchangeable. The Swiss round, due to it's significantly larger case body diameter, would have much more potential as a hand loaded number than the 7.5 French. The difficulty with this is the Schmitt-Rubin is not the strongest action in the world, and a tragic overload could occur! The French gun is a little stronger, but the bolt locks at the back instead of into the reciever/chamber, and you can see the French design leaves a little to be desired in terms of strength too, but would be harder to overload than the Swiss rifle due to case capacity constrictions. Either way, I enjoy shooting and reloading for both of these rifles and would encourage anyone getting into reloading to start with either of these guns. Great condition rifles can be had for well under $200 and the dies from Lee are under $25 apiece. Both rounds are great teaching tools. The Schmitt will begin to show base pressure indications early in it's case life as a result of the unsupported chamber, so it would give you something to learn from there. The French case, because of its' slight taper in the case body, will begin to be a little problematic in extraction the moment extreme pressure levels are approached.
Suffice it to say, both rounds are good performers, but no where near comparible or interchangeable.
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Thanks for answers. I still have a small shadow of a question on the 9mm Parabellum vs Luger - why do some manufacturers use one name and some the other? I read about the copyright stuff but I have seen Wolf brand 9mm Luger... did they pay for a copyright, is it defunct, or do they just thumb their nose at it? 0 -
Concerning your last question, I don't believe the patent rights make any difference anymore since the cartridge has been around more than 100 years and the patents have expired.
The terms Luger and Parabellum are used interchangeably. In other terms, they are synonyms for the same cartridge. Either name is correct.
Its like using the term .38 Smith and Wesson Special to refer to the .38 Special. They are one in the same cartridge - just a different name and both terms are correct. Similarly, the 7.62x25 is also referred to the .30 Tokarev. Again, it is the same cartridge and either term is correct.
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