Modifying a gun to be California Legal?
As Cristmas rolls near, I once again find myself wanting to get a Bullpup rifle, which require pistol grips or thumbhole stocks to hold, and all the ones on the market are illegal in California.
I definetly want a semi-auto bullpup in a caliber larger than .22lr which at this point would be the only legal bullpup rifle i could buy.
So my latest idea of how to legally own one is tied to the definition of a detachable magazine put out by the California DOJ:
"An ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with neither disassembly of the firearm action nor use of a tool being required. A bullet of ammunition cartridge is considered a tool. Ammunition feeding device includes and belted or linked ammunition, but does not include clips, en bloc clips, or stripper clips that load cartridges into the magazine."
So welding or epoxying the magazine in place and then top loading it after seperating the uppers with a stripper clips should be legal.
Another idea I had would be to remove the magazine release mechanism, or at least remove parts of it, such that a simple tool could be used to release the magazine.
If there were a recessed hole for the magazine release, then the use of a rod or paperclip or something that should qualify as a tool(after all a spent cartridge is said to count as a tool) would be needed to depress the magazine release.
Is this feasable? Could I go to Nevada, buy the rifle, remove the button you press to release the magazine, and make a very simple tool that would allow me to release the magazine?
I like the idea of a magazine that requires a tool to release much more than a fixed mag because with a seperate magazine, the gun can be kept unloaded, but can be quickly loaded by putting the magazine in, changing the magazine would then be slighlty more difficult than a "detachable magazine" as defined by the CA DOJ.
I definetly want a semi-auto bullpup in a caliber larger than .22lr which at this point would be the only legal bullpup rifle i could buy.
So my latest idea of how to legally own one is tied to the definition of a detachable magazine put out by the California DOJ:
"An ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with neither disassembly of the firearm action nor use of a tool being required. A bullet of ammunition cartridge is considered a tool. Ammunition feeding device includes and belted or linked ammunition, but does not include clips, en bloc clips, or stripper clips that load cartridges into the magazine."
So welding or epoxying the magazine in place and then top loading it after seperating the uppers with a stripper clips should be legal.
Another idea I had would be to remove the magazine release mechanism, or at least remove parts of it, such that a simple tool could be used to release the magazine.
If there were a recessed hole for the magazine release, then the use of a rod or paperclip or something that should qualify as a tool(after all a spent cartridge is said to count as a tool) would be needed to depress the magazine release.
Is this feasable? Could I go to Nevada, buy the rifle, remove the button you press to release the magazine, and make a very simple tool that would allow me to release the magazine?
I like the idea of a magazine that requires a tool to release much more than a fixed mag because with a seperate magazine, the gun can be kept unloaded, but can be quickly loaded by putting the magazine in, changing the magazine would then be slighlty more difficult than a "detachable magazine" as defined by the CA DOJ.
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quote:Could I go to Nevada, buy the rifle
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If I were You; I'd check with California DOJ and see what they have to say....If You buy the gun You want in Nevada [if they would sell it to you]...and bring it to California....You'd be breaking the law...Why don't You move to a State where the gun You want is legal..?
Captain Kirk, Tech Staff0 -
Not being familiar with ALL of Kali's stupid/inconvenient gun laws, I think there's also a part that says something about a drop test?
If a bullpup is what you want; why not modify a firearm you already own into that configuration? Seems they have kits for converting shotguns.....
"Qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit" --OVID0 -
What semi auto centerfire rifles are even legal in California any more: Mini-14, Kel Tec Su-16, and the larger caliber M1A, remington 7400, and Browning BAR. The SKS isnt legal if it has a detachable mag.
All I've got with me at college right now is a .22 lr and a 12 gauge.
I wasn't sure if bringing a rifle across state lines was legal, even if the rifle was in a legal configuration. I guess not.
The only legal bullpups to own here would be .22s, shotguns, or a rifle that either has no detachable mag or isnt semi auto. Putting a bullpup stock on a semi-auto w/ detachable mag would still be illegal.
I suppose to legally get a M17, the gun would have to be modified by the seller(like epoxying the mag in place or removing the release mechanism) and shipped to an FFL here.
Would that be feasible, and if part of the magazine release were removed, would there be any way to make a tool that would allow for the magazine to be detached without taking apart the rifle/seperating the upper/lower halves. Since requiring the use of a tool to detach makes it legal under CA law.0 -
This won't help you, I'm sure, but I live in CA (yuk!) and I own two pistol gripped mini-14 stocks, one of them a bullpup. I don't own a rifle to put in them, however, and won't bother getting one until I can get myself and my family out of this communist controlled state!
P.S. I bought those stocks back when they were "legal." I have many things to say about CA and they all involve the use of four letter words.
Shoot, Shovel, and Shut-Up0
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