1911 is there anything wrong with Llama brand .45?
1911 is there anything wrong with Llama brand .45?
Or rock island?
Or rock island?
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nothing wrong with cheap guns unless you are using it for self defense. It's been said many times, you get what you pay for. Also if you plan to fire a large quantity of ammo through it i would go for a better name gun. I am a big fan of the 1911 but i prefer the Kimber classic custom or Springfield. I also like the colt series 70 0 -
Parts interchangeability issues and very very very inconsistant quality control. 
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Hello your first 2 replies say it all .It's better than no 1911 but stay away from it and Charles Daly /Rock Island if you want to ever change parts.Or shoot it much quote:"praise the hardball gun" 0 -
Just wait till you need warranty service on a LLama, be prepared to wait about 5 months to get your gun back! They are garbage, soft steel, prone to breakage, spend a few more dollars and get yourself a Springfield.
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I have heard good things about RI ,but I never heard a good word spoken about llama {pronounced yama} ,my first 1911 I purchased on my 21st birthday some years ago was a llama ,probably shot it a few hundred times ,don't remember a malfunction
You do get what you pay for ,even if you bought one of the lower priced 1911's you would eventually want to spend more money on it to bring it up to par ,and with the extra money spent it will not gain in value ,so just take the plunge and get a good quality 1911 of your choice ,Springfield,kimber0 -
As Punchie says, quality control is an issue.
Llamas tend to be nicely finished on the outside, and pretty crude internally.
That having been said, I've seen many Llamas that functioned well and reliably over a long period of time.....and I've seen others that are total "jam-o-matics".
In the low-price 1911 field, the Rock Island is probably the better choice....BUT...you get what you pay for! An even better choice is to wait until you can afford a better quality firearm, such as an SA, Colt, or Kimber.0 -
for not much more than a llama or the like, you can get a nice, used springfield or older series 70. i got a loaded model stainless springfield used for like $425 last year. 0 -
OK I'm starting to get the picture I will shoot for a RIA or a SF.
What is the diferince between the springfield GI .45 and there mil-spec?
This is what some one said to me Are these things necssary?
The Mil-Spec has a lowered and flared ejection port, 3 dot sights,
high hand grip and a beveled and polished magwell.0 -
I have an older Llama in 9mm Largo, it seems very well made, but it was made for the military, not recent civilian manufacture.... but am going to shoot it in a few days first so we'll see.
"...hit your enemy in the belly, and kick him when he is down, and boil his prisoners in oil- if you take any- and torture his women and children. Then people will keep clear of you..." -Admiral of the Fleet Lord Fisher, speaking at the Hague Peace Conf0 -
quote:Originally posted by carboss
OK I'm starting to get the picture I will shoot for a RIA or a SF.
What is the diferince between the springfield GI .45 and there mil-spec?
This is what some one said to me Are these things necssary?
The Mil-Spec has a lowered and flared ejection port, 3 dot sights,
high hand grip and a beveled and polished magwell.
Better sights are a must! Those old GI sights suck. They are very hard to see for someone who has good eyes. The lowered ejection port aids reliabilty, you have less a chance of getting stove pipes. The high hand grip is nice if you have big mits ( mine are average size, I've never been bitten by a 1911 ). Polished beveled mag well aids in quick magazine changes.
The 1911 has had many improvements since the 1970's. To get those above items you used to have to send your gun to a gunsmith / custom shop and spend an extra couple hundred dollars.
I inherited a stock Series 70 Colt Government model from my father when I was 13 (1988). It stove piped like mad! The sights were GI and almost imposible to see, even for my 20/20 vision back then. The 1st thing I did was have taller sights put on, funny they are the exact same sights as on that SA.
Next I had the ejection port lowered, this solved the stove pipe issue. Then I had to have it reblued, and a full length recoil guide rod. The guide rod is still unproven depending on who you talk to as to whether it does anything for you. I also added a beaver tail grip safety and an ambi safety being that I'm a lefty.
Finally I had a trigger job done on it. That really made it accurate.
I left the stock barrel, because I could regulary shoot 5 shot one hole groups with it. I will say Colt does make a good barrel. As far as quality control and Colt, I don't think they are one in the same. Especially when looking at a 70 or 80 series gun. I had to spend a good couple dollars on it just to get it to work most of time.
Give you a little history here, I did all these mods to my gun to make it work, from the factory it was a turd. Now this was before Kimber came around.
Kimber came into the scene offering a custom gun with all those features (that I paid $100's for) from the factory. Kimber almost put Colt and Springfield out of business for 1911's. Kimber had it all and worked flawlessly at a reasonable price.
Springfield finally got it's act together and started offering all those features to get some of the market share back. They have even gone so far as to painting some of their guns to make them look like Kimbers. Springfield also sent most of it's manufacturing and assembly down to Brazil, and that's one of the main reasons they can offer a less expensive gun compared to Kimber.
I was suprised to see SA offering that gun in the top picture (the GI) a few years ago when it came out, because I knew it was a pure low budget no frills, questionable reliability 1911. It may work perfect. If you have problems with it reliability wise (stove pipes) send it back to factory and make them get it to work right.
Kimbers are expensive, starting around $575 on up but I think they are worth it. I got a deal on a used Kimber Classic Stainless after drooling over Kimbers for years and years.
Edit: Any 1911 that you do buy, I would recommend getting a trigger job done on it as most factory triggers are aweful.
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you can probably count on your first round firing, after that you never know 0
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