High Standard vs Pardini SP and Ruger Mk II
Took my High Standard Supermatic Citation model 103 and model 107s out to the range today to try them out with different ammo and against my Pardini SP and Ruger Mk II. The Supermatics shared a Volquertsen match bbl as their original bbls are out being drilled and tapped for a rail. They performed identically, so I'll just post results for one. The Pardini and Mk II are unenhanced. All were shot from 25 yards off a sandbag.
I tried the following ammo: CCI Standard Velocity, CCI Pistol Match, CCI Green Tag, Eley Practice 100, Eley Match Xtra, Eley Club Xtra, Eley Target Pistol, Eley Tenex, Federal Gold Medal, Federal Lightning, Agila SE and Winchester Standard Velocity.
Aside from some problems like both HS guns and the Pardini not liking Green Tag, I got a pretty solid feeling about what the guns can do in general and what ammo each likes.
The Ruger did more or less the same groups with all ammo. All grouped in approximately .75". Slightly tighter groups with Federal Gold Medal and Aguila SE. The HS did best with Green Tag, grouped in about .5" but I had to feed it manually, one shot at a time. Winchester Standard velocit came in second with .75" groups and the rest were much worse than the Ruger. The Pardini really shined! .5" groups with ammo it didn't like and with CCI Standard Velocity... Let me show you (75' small bore rifle targets black is 2" diameter):
Conclusion 1: Cheap ammo outperformed expensive ammo for all my .22s
Conclusion 2: Pardini SP kicks HS Supermatic Citation's ass.
It was not such a fair test, since the Pardini was $1,400 and the HS $600, but still, I was surprised.
I tried the following ammo: CCI Standard Velocity, CCI Pistol Match, CCI Green Tag, Eley Practice 100, Eley Match Xtra, Eley Club Xtra, Eley Target Pistol, Eley Tenex, Federal Gold Medal, Federal Lightning, Agila SE and Winchester Standard Velocity.
Aside from some problems like both HS guns and the Pardini not liking Green Tag, I got a pretty solid feeling about what the guns can do in general and what ammo each likes.
The Ruger did more or less the same groups with all ammo. All grouped in approximately .75". Slightly tighter groups with Federal Gold Medal and Aguila SE. The HS did best with Green Tag, grouped in about .5" but I had to feed it manually, one shot at a time. Winchester Standard velocit came in second with .75" groups and the rest were much worse than the Ruger. The Pardini really shined! .5" groups with ammo it didn't like and with CCI Standard Velocity... Let me show you (75' small bore rifle targets black is 2" diameter):
Conclusion 1: Cheap ammo outperformed expensive ammo for all my .22s
Conclusion 2: Pardini SP kicks HS Supermatic Citation's ass.
It was not such a fair test, since the Pardini was $1,400 and the HS $600, but still, I was surprised.
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Got my Pardini SP used for $650...I love the this thing! [:D] Best .22 handgun I've ever shot. 0 -
Hello glad to hear your test went well. However there are many things you need to think about.IMHO testing at 25 yds from sand bags will tell you if the gun will function but thaat is all. It is like driveing a F1 car to work in city traffic . The guns and ammo in question need to be tested at 50 yds and from a rest "RANSON" makes a good one but you have to have a grip adpater for each brand of gun. I dont want to sound negative and you also should shoot what you like and have confidence in after all first off you want it to be fun. when you can shoot the groups OFFHAND that you got with the test then you need to do more testing. Cheers Karl quote:"PRAISE THE HARDBALL GUN" 0 -
Funny you should mention confidence... After the test, I shot 20 points more than the last time I shot the Pardini.
I do have a Ransom rest on the way. Bought it for testing reloads for the .45. By the way, I got it on eBay from user name Victor22s who signs his emails "Perry". Coincidence?0 -
the pardini is great (modern) gun. when youthink about it, your 44 year old hi standard (ancient) is matching a pardini (modern) in performance. rule of thuumb on 22's is most ALL 22's are accurate, the trick is how accurate will they be 40 years from now and what gun offers most options i/e: pushbutton takedown bbls to change lengths (if the wind picks up,) sear adjustment w/o taking the gun apart, backlash adjustment,etc.. as perry says, the minute you pick up the gun freehand the whole game changes. glad to hear you got em working. btw...the remington ammo plant use to be in bridgeport conn.. the hi std plant was in hamden. they were 20 miles apart. hi std use to test and design all their bbls around remington standard grade 22 ammo because they made a deal with remington to get it delivered cheap to the plant. thus, hi stds shoot BEST with remington standard cheap 22 ammo. finding a circa 60's box of remington 22 ammo is like pouring gold thru your 103 bbl because its what the gun was designed around. it will outperform e-10x! not knowing what the volq bbls was tested with leaves you clueless. thus buying used bbls is sometimes not good for match quality. you dont know what youre getting. also too, remember, the 107 was specifically designed to mimic the 45 for 3 gun events. and shooting a 45 is like shooting a 2x4. pardini is designed to be pardini. of course its gonna feel nice in a 22 nra match. but the 107 will give more confedence and better muscle memory to a 3 gun shooter than the pardini. glad hear you did some good testing. keep going! 0 -
I'm just having fun and making sure all the guns work at this point. The most relevant info I came out of yesterday's test with was that I don't have to spend a fortune on ammo, that one of the 107's mags is bad, one of the Pardini's mags is bad and never to feed Green Tag to these guns.
As far as trigger adjustments, the Pardini has four adjustments in the trigger shoe - first stage travel, second stage travel, weight and size/angle. Take down is not push button but one screw and takes down barrel, slide and firing pin. The firing pin spring doubles as the recoil spring.
But, overall, I'm just having a blast with these things. Like a kid on Christmas Day0 -
now, go shoot groups like your bench rest targets and then, we will shoot with you, not until![:D] 0 -
I'll eat my Wheaties and practice every day. [:D] 0 -
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Another cheapie to try in your Pardini is the PMC Scoremaster (Blue Box). In my Pardini it shoots almost as well but not quite as consistant groups as Tenex, main problem is they are dirty but at 89 cents a box (by the case) what do you expect.
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Thanks punchie, I'll try it. I'm anal about cleaning the thing after every use anyway.
Bobski... are you telling me that it is possible to do consistent 1/4" groups at 25 yards freehand? Take a look at those pictures again, those are 2" rifle targets... That's like shooting the balls off a mosquito...0 -
Hello Bobski if he shoots groups like that offhand I will let you and BRIAN ZINS "national champ many times over" shoot with him. This old F$#t is over the hill and hanging on by his fingernails. METAPHORE If you suggestions on mounting ransom rest Email me kfwneedle@nexet.com 0 -
10x is common and can be done folks! ive seen cloverleafs and had 3 judges try to determine if the shooter grounded a shot so he could call same hole x's! 0 -
I'm happy when all my slow fire shots are in the black. But, they are drifting closer to center every day.
Got a question about a red dot sight, I'll start another topic.0 -
lead magnets behind the target will do that.[:D] 0
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