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Need Help in identifying a Winchester Engraver

BHornbeck
We came across a Winchester collection this weekend that contained some very impressive firearms. The firearms are 73's, 76,s and 86's all of which are fully engraved by Winchester along with some very impressive stock checkering. Two of the guns have been signed by "Ulrich" and have factory letters to go with them. There are a couple of firearms with Winchester engraving patterns that have been signed with the initials "CK". We realize that Winchester has had many engravers over the years but we are at a loss as to who "CK" is. One of the guns with "CK" is a Winchester Model 1886 in 50-100-Express. We understand that the original owner special ordered the 86 during the end of its production. I don't have the books handy to see the last year of production for the 86 but understand this one was ordered in the 1920's. Any help anyone could give would be greatly appreciated in identifing "CK" is greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance for your help
Bruce
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  • BHornbeck
    Boy did I make a major goof. The initials are "LC" and "CK".
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  • only winchesters
    Good evening Bhornbeck! The early engravers were Angelo Stokes, 1905-1917, John Gough, 1905-1918. Conrad F. Ulrich Jr. 1868-1873, & 1910-1917, Alden George Ulrich, 1919-1949, John Ulrich, 1868-1913, there was also a Herman Lee Ulrich, who was at Winchester in 1868, no record of when he left.

    So with that being said, the only thing that comes close is Conrad F. Ulrich. I can see a "CF" looking like a "CK" It's also possible that the guns were sent back to the factory after WWII and one of the Kismut brothers (John or Nick) were involved in up-grading.

    I just don't see an engraver with "CK" in my books. But if a "trainee" did the work, and left, it wouldn't be in my books.

    Regards Dave

    Yes you did goof, and there is nothing close to that! LOL
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  • Rembrandt
    Wilson's book on Winchester Engraving is fantastic, may have some information that will identify your engraver.

    http://www.wilsonbooks.com/

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    Winchester Engraving
    R.L.Wilson

    This comprehensive and lavishly produced book is the only title devoted to the distinguished tradition of Winchester firearms embellishment from the historic Jennings, Volcanic and Henry models to modern times. Beautiful masterpieces of art and engineering are featured in 100 color plates and 700 black and white illustrations. 9.5" x 12". 500 pages. Beinfield Books. Second edition. 1989. $115.00



    Another source would be to try the Firearms engravers guild...

    http://www.fega.com/history.html

    http://www.fega.com/
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