mosin nagant
I recently bought a Mosin from a person and attempted to shoot it today only to find out the bullet gets hung up while trying to load it into the chamber. I put a mark on the bullet and found at around the 5 oclock spot a spot that looks like theres maybe a burr inside the barrel catching it. It leaves like a scrape mark. I looed as best as I could and can't seem to find anything. What options do I have? Is there some sort of a round file I can use?. Does it need professional help or should I just chalk one up for getting shafted? There has to be a way to fix this..any suggestions would be appreicated..Thanks
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I want to add a Mosin Nagant to my very small collection. For those of you who are into these thing, which models, years, and arsenal marks (I assume Tula) are most desireable? What are the best sources?
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Steve,
Sorry to say but it's time to rebarrel. Minor headspace problems can sometimes be fixed by changing bolts, but if your splitting cases your probem is a major one.
Nagants are tough old rifles, but don't shoot either one of them anymore ... everything has a limit and it's time to quit tempting fate.
Good news is that there are still lots of Nagants around and the prices are pretty low. If you don't own one I suggest you get a go/no-go guage and hit a couple gun shows instead of trying to change out the barrel. They can be really tough, and if you take it to a gunsmith even if they have very reasonable rates, by the time you pay for the barrel and their time ... you will have spent more than another rifle would cost you.
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Thanks for the info guys I had not planned on shooting them any more.
I am trying to find out if they are worth repairing.What would be about the price for a good barrel,nothing outstanding but good enough to shoot. thanks Steve0 -
How do you know the chamber is eroded?
It could be a problem with the ammo.
There are some types of military surplus Mosin Nagant ammo on which the cases routinely split.
If you are shooting some old military surplus, buy a box of known quality ammo like Sellier and Bellot. Wedge the rifle in an old tire and pull the trigger with a 50 foot string. I bet the case will be fine.0 -
Follow on to allen's post.
Chambers don't erode, throats erode. Eroded throats cause poor accuracy and LOWER pressures.
The Nagant headspaces on the rim.
Improperly annealed (to hard) case necks split quite often. Split cases necks and burn throughs are not dangerious (head seperations are dangerious, but that's a entirly different thing than a split). For those that arn't familier with the terms, splits are lengthwise, seperations are radial (around) the case. Poorly annealed ammo will often split the neck simply from the bullet sitting in it over the years (split neck even before it's fired).
Nagants tend to have a dificult bolt lift, there designed to be operated aggressivly, not gently.
Baised on his origional question, I suspect his ammo is the problem, NOT his rifle.
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I bought some very cheap ammo last year and it ruptured routinely in every MN rifle I tried it in. What's left now resides at the bottom of a 3 foot deep post hole. Have someone who knows Mosinn well check out your rifle, it may be OK.
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I have one MN that routinely splits all steel cased ammo. Brass cases are fine. Headspace is good. Try some brass caased ammo.
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Ok here is what is going on ,on 2 of the rifles when you shoot them one you can not roll the bolt to extract the spent cartridge. you have to litterly beat the bolt up, once up the empty comes out . on the other the bolt is hard to roll and their is blow by on the bolt. both guns split the cases on the steel the cooper does not split but they both still have the bolt problem. I took them to a gunsmith and he reamed the chambers and checked the head space and it did not change a thing. so this is the story. So I quess it will be better to rebarrel?Thanks guys 0 -
What ammo are you using? I'd try some new brass cased ammo of recent manufacture. I've had Mosin-Nagants that performed as yours with Albanian ammo. As soon as I tried some new commercial ammo the problem disappeared. 0 -
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Ok here is what is going on ,on 2 of the rifles when you shoot them one you can not roll the bolt to extract the spent cartridge. you have to litterly beat the bolt up, once up the empty comes out . on the other the bolt is hard to roll and their is blow by on the bolt.
Again this dosn't sound like a ammo / chamber / barrel problem. Does the bolt lift easy if you dry fire (start with the firing pin lowered) it first? It still sounds like a fairly normal NM bolt operation. Have you detail stripped, cleaned and luberacated the bolts with the proper grease (esp the cocking cam area)? MN cocking cams are not the most shooter friendly design, unlike the Mauser style.
BTW the firing pin prutrusion is adjustable on those, # 2 sounds like it is to long and is piercing the primers. Pull the bolts and lower the pins, check for the ammount it sticks out the front of the bolt (.050-.060 IIRC)
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