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I have just purchased a used rem 700vs in .308 with a leupold 3.5/10x vx111 scope and leupold quick detach rings and am having a problem with it. I fired it today at 100yds from a rest and could not get a consistant group out of it. The best i did was about three and a half inches. i tried shooting good ammo and cheap ammo and it did not seem to make any difference. The one thing i did notice was that most of the time while shooting groups of about four rounds at a time was that two of the bullets may have gone through the same hole the other two seemed to be "flyers" and were no where near eachother. So i looked for obvious things like a loose scope mount, stock touching the barrel, bolt not touching metal etc.... and the one thing that i did find was that the eye focus jam nut on the scope was loose so i secured it and tried again with no better luck then before. The only thing that i can think of at this point is that there is something wrong with the quick detach scope mount. I tried everything that i could think of short of putting a different scope/scopemount on. Have any of you run into this problem and what did you find to be the problem. Im pretty sure that the gun is shooting correctly i think that the problem is with the sighting system. thanks for the help
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Since this is a used rifle, did you clean the bore with a good copper remover? Sometimes a bore can look clean, but, still have a lot of copper in the grooves. I found this out shooting Krag military rifles and carbines. Some rifles had bores that looked great, but, wouldn't shoot worth beans. After a good cleaning to remove the copper and nickel from the bore groups shrank to 2 to 2-1/2 inches at 100 yards. 0 -
One of the really nice things about the quick disconnect systme is that if you spring for another set of rings you can have a backup scope for field trips. The replacement is rarely perfect, but should be close. If you have a scope that you are confiedent of and can set it up in another set of rings, then you can check the Leupold. Yes, Leupolds scope do fail, still the folks there really do back their procduct. I konw a couple of real horror stories where the owners were shocked when they got their scopes back in perfect working order, even when the factory had to change out major componets like the tube and such. Two other things I'd look closely at would be the barrel's crown and the bolt face/bolt lugs. Good luck...... 0 -
Assuming that there is no fouling and the crown and bolt face/lugs are good.
Substitute a known good scope and if it is shooting like the Leupold then you've got a mount problem ... if the other scope cures the problem then you've got a scope problem and need to send it back to Leupold ... excellent customer service and they'll fix 'er up for you.
If you only have time to do two things so-so, or one thing well ... do the one thing!0 -
Before spending money on scope or rings,clean the bore.I bought an old Marlin 30-30 a while back that 'looked' clean but would not hit paper at fifty yards.I mean no where on the paper even!
cleaned it with copper cleaner,got all kinds of crud out,and the improvement was amazing.
Throckmortons' the alias,cas is the game.0 -
I had the same problem with shots all over the paper with my BDL. I tried everything suggested in the previous posts. Nothing!
Then a wise board member suggested I check and see if the barrel was free floated, e.g. the dollar bill between the barrel and stock. Sure enough, the dollar was hanging up. I took off the stock, sanded what seemed to be a foot of wood out of the channel and put it back together. First shot was dead on the "x". The other two shots less than 1/2 inch away. I'll take that accuracy any day.0 -
I have tried the dollar bill trick and it slides in with no hangups i have also cleand the barrel and did not get much out of it and the lands grooves look good and i dont see any distortion on the crown. This is the first time i have owned a leupold and to be honest im not so sure about there quick mount base system however i cant feel anything loose when i tug on it. I will swap out the scope with a known good and go from there. There is one other question that i would like to ask, what is the purpose of the "jam nut" on the eye piece i would assume that it is to allow you to adjust the focus of the crosshairs? correct me if im wrong. 0 -
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Every time I get a used rifle, I will get the "flinches" not knowing how it likes to be held etc. Get comfortable with it, run good ammo (Black hills REM, etc) if you don't roll your own. I have a .270 that is finicky in the same way. It took me a few hundred rounds, and a trigger job (as an end result) was all that was needed. I was always pulling to the right.
Map your shots-
A gun in time saves nine.0 -
what was it's prior round count? a 308 should go a good 3000-5000rnds and still show .5moa in a contour 6 barrel like the VS rem. Check to be sure you have 65in/lb stock torque on the VS stocks as well( NOT FOOT POUNDS,...INCH POUNDS) That is roughly 5.3-5.4 ft/lbs.
If the levers are worn or not all the way tight on the QD rings,..that will do it (why I don't trust them,..MHO).
Also, you mention a focus jam nut,..that has to be loosened so that the rear focal peice can be adjusted to YOUR eyes. If you have not done this first,..this can help to lead to poor accuracy by your overcompensation due to inproper focus of the rear lense. Loosen the ring,..and turn the eyepeice all the way in,..and start turning it out at 1/4turns. Place the rifle so that you are looking at a brilliant white background (wall in the house). You are only looking for clarity in the reticle,..not on a target. keep taking your eye away from the scope for about 30sec,..and continually adjust the rear eyepeice outward by 1/4 turns until the reticle is as sharp and black as your eyes can determine. Then do the same thing by 1/8turns. When you have gotten that reticle so that when you place your eye up to the scope you see a perfectly crisp and black reticle (not gold in color) then you can lock that rear ring back. Also,..don't look at the reticle for any more than 3 sec's each time. If you do,..your eye will fatigue and you will be wasting time. Focus on far away objects in between turns to get your eyes back to normal. This takes time but pays off in spades when you have a long wait behind the crosshairs and on paper as well. Range sessions can play a number on your eyes. You will see that the younger you are,..the further in the rear peice will be,..and as the shooter gets older,..the ring has to be further out. At least this is what I have gathered from using my pard's scopes who is 30yrs my senior.
HTH
why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
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Those are very finiky about the torque on the action screws. Did you check them yet?
Self defence is an ablsolute and natural right. Keep your powder dry! J. Rau, Alaska0 -
Ditch the quick-release mounts. I've personally never had any luck with them. Double check the barrel crown; any tiny nick can will give you lots of flyers. As far as the cleanliness of the barrel, if I scrub the hooha out of my A-Bolt, I may as well crank off the first shot into the air-the first shot is always a flyer. After my pre-hunting-season range session with it I never clean the barrel before heading into the field. This way I am assured of excellent accuracy under hunting conditions. It always give it a good cleaning for the off-season, though.
Men, like bullets, go farthest when they are smoothest.0
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