POUR POUDRES VIVES shotgun question
I have a 28ga. double barrel twin hammer shotgun. I can't find out any info about it, if anyone knows any info or link to help me out it would be greatly appreciated. I can give more of a description if needed. Thanks
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I think you would get a better response if you added some information about your shotgun ... length of barrels, any markings on it, including under the forend, etc.
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Contender is right. I would add that 'pour poudres vives' is probably equal to for smokeless powder in English. In my mis-spent youth I mis-spent part of it in French speaking countries and I make it: pour = for; poudres = powders; vives = alive or living. Maybe in the 1890s the French thought of black powder as dead and smokeless as alive??? Who can account for what the French think, do or say, or how they say it? Even my French wife (since 1950) can't really vouch for my translation. ---- Anybody? 0 -
RHMC24. I believe you're correct on that translation. The phrase "Ah merde c'est qu'elle un bath" translates to "what a Corker". They seem to use alot of letters and words to arrive at their colloquialisms. In this case, I believe the word "vives" would actually mean strong or powerful.
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I don't have a digital camera at the moment, I'll try to get some pics soon though. I'll describe the shotgun as best as possible.
It is a 28ga. double barrel side by side shotgun with rabbit ear hammers.
On both sides of the barrel under the forestock it reads CHOKE 14.0. The numbers 3(S or 5)620 and a sideways 3 are on the barrel as well. The numbers 620 with a detached 3 are common to the barrel, forestock, and receiver. Next to the CHOKE markings on the barrel there are some fancy looking letters, could be an E and L. There is also a star shape over top of what looks like the letter U.
On the flat part of the barrel where it meets the receiver there are many markings. D = 70 over 15.8 M/M, C over a plus sign over IV, and a standing lion over the letters P.V
There is also a diamond shape with the number 28 over the letter C, and an oval shape with a crown on top. Inside the oval reads E over LG over a star. P1K066 is also stamped in this area. It says POUDRES VIVES in gold leaf on the top of the barrels on the raised rib.
Hope this information helps.
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"Pour Poudres Vives" translates as "For Quick Powders" aka smokeless powders, pretty commomn on French and Belgium made guns around the turn of the century.
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The Crown/Oval/ ELG identifies it as Belgian. I agree "pour Poudre Vives" is smokeless. I'm surprised there is no mfg. In any case, the majority of Belgian mfg shotguns attract little collector interest. The 28 ga does make it more interesting. I'll let someone else tackle value.
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