Winchester Model 12
Looking for a model 12 in 20ga. or 12ga. made in 1953. What ser. # range would I be looking for?
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I have a Winchester model 12, 12 gauge 26" ws1 that was made in 1963 that I use for grouse hunting. It shoots and points like a dream, however within the last year or so sometimes it is extremely hard to push the pump back forward once fired to load the second round. I have taken the receiver apart multiple times to clean and lube everything inside, I even took it to a local gunsmith, he honed some of the sliding parts inside, he said because of their design this was the nature of the model 12. It doesn't do this every time I shoot just at random. Does anyone know of a special lube or something I could use. I also found a receiver from a Y model 12 for sale, would my barrel and stock interchange with it? I know the Y models were casted instead of machined, does this effect the smoothness of the action? Any help appreciated. Thanks 0 -
manufactured 1913 . go to www.oldguns.net scroll down left column until you seemanufacture dates click winchester then scroll down right frame until you see shotguns click model 12 enter number then click submit
I've always followed my father's advice: he told me, first to always keep my word and, second, to never insult anybody unintentionally. If I insult you, you can be damn sure I intend to. And, third, he told me not to go around looking for trouble.
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according to my information your mod 12 made in 1913 second year of manafacture rambocat 0 -
Welcome to the forum earl! Well your gun wasn't made in 1913, 12 gauges didn't come out until 1914. Based on your 5 digit serial number 769** , it was made at the end of 1914. (ref: Dave Riffles book) what's unique about this First year 12 ga. is the receiver is matted on top without the groove, and has the short action slide. In the next 3 years Winchester made quite a few changes, so this one is literally just like the original design before the new changes took place. regards Dave 0 -
quote:Originally posted by mauser_central
manufactured 1913 . go to www.oldguns.net scroll down left column until you seemanufacture dates click winchester then scroll down right frame until you see shotguns click model 12 enter number then click submit
I've always followed my father's advice: he told me, first to always keep my word and, second, to never insult anybody unintentionally. If I insult you, you can be damn sure I intend to. And, third, he told me not to go around looking for trouble.
John Wayne
Hello Mauser... Just as a side note to this topic, as it pertains to Winchester DOMs versus serial numbers, the website you mention, and at least the one at armscollectors.com, are terribly inaccurate. For that matter where ever you find Winchester DOMs listed (including published in the Blue Book, or one of George Madis' books), please do NOT trust what you read. The ONLY accurate source of information is the Cody Firearms Museum. They have all of the original & surviving Winchester factory ledgers, and can provide exact manufacture dates. Just within the past 15 years, I have personally researched well over 3,000 Winchester serial numbers with the Cody museum, and in over 90% of the cases, the actual DOMs were vastly different than those listed by Mr. Madis (or elsewhere).
Bert H.
Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!0 -
bert and wichesters,
thank you for correcting me. i did'nt know that. I was not intentionally trying to mislead anyone just trying to be helpful. A plus to being on the gunbroker forums is that you are surronded by people with a wealth of information and you [ I ] learn somthing from you gents everyday. Again thank you both
my appologies to earl for the incorrect date i posted [:(]
I've always followed my father's advice: he told me, first to always keep my word and, second, to never insult anybody unintentionally. If I insult you, you can be damn sure I intend to. And, third, he told me not to go around looking for trouble.
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Mauser: No need to appologise. The thing I've learned about Winchesters over the years is that you always find something different than the norm. I met a man a few weeks ago, who worked with Ned Schwing the author of several Winchester books. When it comes to serial numbers, most people rely on George Maddis' "Dates of Manufacture" book. This is what I was told, when Mr Maddis was gathering the info, a lot of models were based on (Sales) records, not manufacturing records. This was done because Winchester under the Olin Corp. and then USRA wouldn't release the records back in the early 80s. Now his second edition serial number book is much more accurrate because when he finally got manufacturing records, he updated all the Models he could. However it is not perfect. There were a lot of records that simply no longer exist for many models, and "educated guesses" took place. I think some people don't realise that prior to 1964, the vast majority of Winchesters weren't considered collectable, people bought them to use them. Of course there will always be Pigeon Grade, Deluxe grade, Super Grade, and "Special ordered" Winchesters that people bought and darn few people spent those kind of dollars, just to hang the gun on the wall, or leave in the back of the closet. A good example is the Model 12 where they made about 2 million, or the 94 where there was about 2.5 million made through 1964, the most common Md 12, is the 12 ga. with a 30in Full choke plain barrel, the Md 94 seems to be a 20 in. barrel, chambered in 30-30. Are these really collectable or just nice to own? If it's a pre-war gun, (WWII) in about 85% condition) yes because there aren't many around. Post-war in about 95% condition. Of course when ever you run across a Winchester with a box and paper, it's in a class by itself and will command a premium. I'm always learning something about these guns, mostly what some may pay them for various reasons! Regards Dave 0
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