1866 chassepot needle gun
I have an 1866 chassepot needle gun and I have no clues about it, it has the inscription "Manufacture Imperiale Mutzig Mle.1866" on the side it also says that the actual date it was manufactured was 1868. but I have no other info about it. I would like to find the aprox. price i would sell it at, and any other info i can find. I know for a fact that it hasnt been modified at all.My pics arent working correctly so if you want/need pics please email me. I really want to know some more info about this thing. I am 90% sure that it hasnt been reworked at all, why is it that most of the chassepots ive seen have silver barrels, mine looks to be a black or darker color, could just be slight surface rust though. all the serials match, but i dont have the bayonete. does anyone out there have a price range for this thing??
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My reference notes that the Chassepot system was adopted by the French Military in 1866. Many different versions were made before and after the Franco-Prussian War of 1870. The most common being the Model 1866 Infantry Rifle.
We would have to have QUALITY pictures of your Chassepot, to help you find a value for it. Many of these rifles were reworked/sporterized over the years, which has a negative effect on their value to a collector.
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quote:Originally posted by m_stelmaszek
I have an 1866 chassepot needle gun and I have no clues about it, it has the inscription "Manufacture Imperiale Mutzig Mle.1866" on the side it also says that the actual date it was manufactured was 1868. but I have no other info about it. I would like to find the aprox. price i would sell it at, and any other info i can find. I know for a fact that it hasnt been modified at all.
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Your pictures aren't showing up, red x's are all we're seeing.0 -
quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
My reference notes that the Chassepot system was adopted by the French Military in 1866. Many different versions were made before and after the Franco-Prussian War of 1870. The most common being the Model 1866 Infantry Rifle.
We would have to have QUALITY pictures of your Chassepot, to help you find a value for it. Many of these rifles were reworked/sporterized over the years, which has a negative effect on their value to a collector.If truly a needle gun, I don't think it would have been sporterized. Even the most hacksaw happy bubba gunsmith would have no reason to hack up a gun that for all purposes can't be shot. If it is one that was converted to fire the same cartridge as the Gras though, anything is possible.
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quote:Originally posted by jonk
If truly a needle gun, I don't think it would have been sporterized. Even the most hacksaw happy bubba gunsmith would have no reason to hack up a gun that for all purposes can't be shot. If it is one that was converted to fire the same cartridge as the Gras though, anything is possible.
M_Stelmaszek is not referring to the Dreyse "Zundnadelgewehre" ( Needle Guns ) in his post. Those were all made in Prussia ( Sommerda, Danzig & Spandau ) and used by the German forces during the Franco-Prussian War.
His Rifle? is a French Chassepot made at the Mutzig Arsenal in 1868. The term "Needle Gun" was more commonly used with the German Rifles rather then the French ones.0 -
Just a shot in the dark,but does it look something like this?
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=23580206
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quote:Originally posted by BOBBYWINS
Just a shot in the dark,but does it look something like this?
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=23580206
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IT'S WHAT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THEMSELVES THAT MAKES THEM AFRAID.
That's what it looks like, but the date is wrong. By 1878 the French had already adopted the Gras as their standard Infantry Rifle. The rifle in the auction may be a Chassepot that has been reworked to take the 11 x 59R metallic Gras cartridge. A original Chassepot "Needlegun" that used combustible cartridges that is factory original,i.e. never converted/reworked, would be of great collector interest/value.0 -
I nthe picture of the rifle and bayonet, is that the correct model bayonet? It looks more like a Gras bayo to me, and looks nothing like the Chassepot bayo (dated 1866 on the spine)I have hanging on the wall at home! I realize I'm heading off course here, but if you guys could enlighten me I would appreciate it!
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