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pyroproducts
This is a doc file that has all the gun model and the majority of serial numbers listed.
http://www.pyro-products.com/guns/rifles/gunlist.doc

CLICK ON PICTURES TO SEE DETAILED SHOTS
Since I have some webskills I created a page were the guns can be viewed. Once the picture is clicked on you will see a link to start slide show of up close detailed pictures. HIGH BANDWIDTH RECOMMENDED!!
http://www.pyro-products.com/guns/rifles/
UPDATED THE HANDGUNS THAT ARE FOR SALE ALSO
http://www.pyro-products.com/guns/handguns/

Since I have no real idea as to the values of these guns and have no resource for pricing them out I thought I would give this place a chance. I would love to sell these and clear my house for more room. Please let me know if anyone has some light to shed on what I am dealing with. Perhaps year, and value on my doc file? Any help for my auctions would help tremendously. I am trying to organize this even so it will flow as smooth as possible?

Perhaps if one was to download the doc file and know what I am dealing with they could hit me back via email? morgan@pyro-products.com Please let me know what I am dealing with as this is new territory for me. I have an FFL license everythign is up to date. I have many other weapons but have no need for these at any rate. Thanks for your help
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  • Rembrandt
    Most gun shops won't have the resources to buy an entire collection such as yours, I'd recomend contacting some of the larger retail outlets such as Scheels, Cabelas, Cherrys, and other fine establishments....you could sell the entire lot.


    http://www.scheelssports.com/store/firearms.asp

    http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/community/gun/gun-home.jhtml;jsessionid=1QWF3CTQI51YKCWQNVDCCPAK0BWUOIWE?hierarchyId=10468&rid=4000110091704

    http://www.cherrys.com./buying.htm
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  • eastwood44mag
    What are you asking on the Marlin 44 lever and the Browning .458 Win?
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  • Herschel
    I suggest you first buy a copy of BLUE BOOK OF GUN VALUES by S. P Fjestad. It has photos that will help you establish the percentage of original finish on each gun then you can go to the listing of values which shows the value with various amounts of finish remaining. The book retails for $39.95 but can probably be bought for less. The prices are retail and actual values will vary, depending on what part of the US you are in. You have some very collectable items pictured.
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  • MVP
    Since you are an up to date FFL holder, just list everything on Gunbroker with $1.00 opening bid and let the market tell you what they are worth. You will get within 10% [+ or -] of the actual value averaged out over your entire collection and may even have fun doing it. Gunbrokers biggest advantage is the national coverage.
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  • pyroproducts
    Perhaps someone can help me start a description for the guns and I could pay a fee as I know nothing about the guns!!! There is a total of 27 guns. I would love to post these on the net right. Please let me know if anyone is interested so I can help people to knwo what they are purchasing. Thanks
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  • Contender Man
    Hi and welcome to the forum.

    The Blue Book suggestion given above is a good one, except they don't have much in the way of pictures. The Standard Catalog of Firearms would be a good companion book to the Blue Book.

    However, after looking through your stuff you've got most of the basic identification done. In the handgun area it looks like you've gotten some bin/assembly numbers mixed with the S/N, but that's a fairly common error.

    As for your request for some help I'll drop you an email.


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  • CHGOTHNDER
    I may be interested in the COLT COLTSMAN 243 WITH REDFIELD 2-7X SCOPE Lemme know.

    PJ

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  • Bert H.
    Hello pyroproducts...

    The good news is that the previous owner had very good taste in his choice of firearms. The bad news is (and I really do not like being the bearer of such bad news)... that person unfortunately had a very BAD habit of having the his guns completely refinished.

    Of all those really nice Winchester shotguns, the only one that has not been refinished is the Model 21 SxS. The Model 61 Slide-action looks like it may be original as well, but both of the Model 70s have been refinished also. I suspect that the majority of the remaining otherwise fine guns have been refinished as well... and that fact hurts the value tremendously.

    I agree with the MVP... list them on Gunbroker with the pictures you already have. In the description, simply state the Make/Model, caliber/gauge, choke (for the shotguns), the serial number, and the fact that the gun has been refinished. I don't agree with starting them at $1.00 though. The Model 21 should start at a minimum of $1000, the Model 61 at $500, and the remaining Winchester shotguns at $200. I do not follow the prices/values of the non Winchester made firearms very closely, so I can't help you much with those.

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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  • pyroproducts
    FYI none of these guns have been refinished. Everything you are looking at is stock and oringial. Please let me know if there are any more questions. THANKS FOR THE INTEREST
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  • Henry0Reilly
    If you start/end the auctions on a weekend (to be sure that most people have the chance to be online at closing time) and run them for 2 weeks (to be sure most interested parties have a chance to get see them, have no fear about starting the guns at $1 no reserve. Starting low generates more bids, which generates more interest and in turn more bids.

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  • only winchesters
    Good morning pyroproducts, welcome to the forum. I looked at some of your Wiinchester long guns. You didn't really have pictures of areas I like to review, such as the barrel stampings, trigger guard area. barrel and receiver proof mark areas. So based on what I did see:

    md 1912 20ga. It has had a Simmons standard rib installed, and reblued, this gun originally had a 2 1/2 in. chamber, so I'm guessing it's been opened up to 2 3/4. This would be a very nice shooter, should sell for $350-$500.

    Md 21 16 ga. Looks all original, except the recoil pad. Based on what I've seen on the net, $5000-$6500, depending on chokes. 16ga. is a little on the rare side.

    Md 42 Full choke, looks to have been reblued, $600-$1000

    Md 42 Imp/Cyl, a little on the rare side, and looks to have been reblued, $800-$1200

    Md 12 Full choke, after market rib, mis-matched stocks $350-$450

    Md 12 WS-1 Skeet, Couldn't tell if this was an original round post from the factory, or a plain barrel that was sent to Simmons at a later point in time. If it's Factory $1200--$1800
    Simmons add on $750-$1200

    Md 70 338 MAG (pictures didn't tell me what I want to know, so again based on what I've seen, $450-$750

    Md 7O Featherweight 30-06 $650

    Again, I couldn't open your file to read your discriptions, but did key in on the photos, that would tell me something.

    If you put them up for auction use a RESERVE, if it doesn't sell, you can lower your price the next time you list it. Example if you put the Md 21 up for auction, with a starting price of a $1000. Someone will most definately have a winning bid, but it might only be $2500. Which would be a steal!! Protect yourself with a Reserve!!

    Regards Dave
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by pyroproducts
    FYI none of these guns have been refinished. Everything you are looking at is stock and oringial. Please let me know if there are any more questions. THANKS FOR THE INTEREST


    In a single word... B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T[V]... I can clearly see washed out (from excessive polishing) barrel stamps, rounded versus sharp corners on the frame edges, and buffer/polishing marks on a several of the barrels. The stocks on several of them also clearly show signs of being refinished as well. Your pictures of them are very nice quality, and they "tell the tale" so-to-speak.

    For what it is worth to you, I am a LONG time Winchester fireams collector (primarily the Model 1885 Single-shot, but I like ALL Winchesters made pre-WWII), and as such, I have pesonally looked at and handled THOUSANDS of them over the years. It is very, very easy for me to spot when a Winchester has been fooled with (except when the work has been accomplished by a true master, and that type of work is only done to the truly valueable collector grade guns)... and most of those guns have DEFINITELY been refinished. I did not mention it in my first response, but in addition to being refinished, most of those shotguns have aftermarket recoil pads installed on them, and I suspect that the vent ribs on several of them are aftermarket add-ons as well.

    You asked for our input, so why are you shooting the messenger[?] I have no vested interest in your guns, so what reason would I have for telling you something that is not true[?] If you do not want to believe what I am telling you, then take them to any decent 'smith and ask him the same question.

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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  • Bert H.
    Dave...

    It seems that you are seeing exactly what I saw in the photos[^]

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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  • select-fire
    Pictures don't lie... Take your firearms to a reputable FFL dealer and PAY to have them appraised. Get a bassboat if you wanna go fishin'.

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  • Hangfire
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    Dave...

    It seems that you are seeing exactly what I saw in the photos[^]

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!


    Me too!![raising hand in the air[8D]]

    Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob
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  • pyroproducts
    bert , I know you are just tryiong to help, and I took those picture in such detail that the buyer would be able to know everythign there is to. I believe what you say now as I based my knowledge on what my father told me years and years ago. So anythings possible since I have not been up to date. I know you all are just trying to help and I want to let you know I appreciate all the posts. Dont get the wrong idea I am not here to shoot the messenger :) Thanks for all your help..
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  • Hangfire
    Pyro-Glad to see you're not going to shoot any messengers....but its O.K to shoot Bert!!![As long as you use a single-shot][8D]

    Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob
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