model 12 Winchester
I have a 12 ga. model 12 nickel steel barrel. #60360. In Madis's book Winchester Model 12 He claims this gun is "very rare and valuable collectors item." Can anybody provide more info about the value of this gun? Thanks
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Seems impossable to find an older model 12 in 20 ga. 26 in. barrel with cylinder or imp. cyl bore. Plenty of others around but none as described. are they that scarce ?. 0 -
Captain Cove, yeah, they are that scarce! The majority of Model 12's manufactured by Winchester, from the early thirty's until they quit making them in the sixties, were 12 ga's. The most popular use of these shotguns in that era, was for shooting trap, and they continue today, although not as popular as they once were. They are still one of the best made, and most reliable shot guns, that have ever been manufactured for any use. Of course they were not originally made with trap shooting in mind, but once they were used for that particular sport, their popularity soared and they continue to be popular for that sport today.
Unfortunately trying to find one in decent shape in any gauge other than 12, is a daunting task at best!
Good luck, and let us know!
BigBarn[:o)]
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Welcome to the Forum Captain Cove. The Imp/Cyl choke came out in 1931, prior to that, they only had Full, Mod. and Cyl. Also guns made before 1927, below serial numbr 465000, had a 2 1/2 inch chamber in 20ga. 2 9/16 in 16 ga.
In 12 ga. the most common choke is Full, in the 16/20 ga. guns, Mod. was the most common. So with that being said, Imp/Cyl in any guage is on the rare side for a Md 12. They are out there, but one has to look. They also bring more dollars. You can expect to pay $550. and up depending just how nice it is. If it is an older one, (before 1927)There is a good chance the chamber was opened up, look closely, if there is no chamber markings at all assume it is a short one. A good Winchester gunsmith charges about $100. to do the conversion. they are great little bird guns over a pointer!! Just keep watching the auctions, you might try looking on the web. Lots of Gun dealers post there inventory. Email me if you want some sites, just click on onlywinchesters to the left to email. Regards Dave0 -
My first time to ask a question. I have a Winchester Model 12 - 12 gauge - Serial number 126XXXX, pump action shotgun. This was my Dad's who used it for quail hunting for a long time. Most of the bluing is worn off, but the gun appears to be good operating condition. It has not been fired in quite a few years. Can someone tell me the age of this gun and estimated value? Thanks in advance. 0 -
Carman454, welcome to the forum!! 454 a big block man!! I can tell you that it was manufactured in 1949. however would need much more detail to pin a value down. If I asked you what's my Chevy worth, it has a 454 . What would you tell me? Here's some important info: Plain barrel, solid rib, vent rib? Choke is, Full, Modified, Imp/Cyl? Are the stocks plain walnut or do they have checkering on them. Barrel length, 26,28,30,32? Since your dad used it on quail I'll guess, 26 or 28in. Look at where the front half meets the receiver, the joint between the 2 serial numbers, measure from there to the end of the barrel and add 1 inch. That will be real close. How is the finish, is the blue strong and even or are the high areas showing silcver in color? Any rust or pits? How are the stocks, nice or scratched and dented? Get back to us with the info and I'll be happy to give you an estimated value. Regards Dave 0 -
Hi Dave - thans for the great reply. Yep - the 454 is the engine in the old GMC pickup. Not much horsepower but plenty of torque. The distance from the end of the barrel to the joint is 29 1/8". If I add 1", this makes it a 30" barrel. It is a full choke. We used to hunt blue quail in West Texas, so the long barrel and full choke worked well. You just didn't want to shoot one up to close. Tended to make hamburger out of them. The barrel is plain. The high areas are showing silver. The rest of the blue is worn, but still there. The stocks are slightly scrathed with a few nicks, but no gouges. The finish is still nice on both the stock and the pump. He switched to a Remington 870 pump later in life, and then to a Remington 1100. When I hold the gun so light reflects off the sides, I can see some very minor pitting. The stocks are plain, except for the verticle lines on the pump stock (I assume these are to aide in the grip). There is no checkering. Regards, David [:)] 0 -
Hello carman454! Gotta love big blocks, and Winchesters!! Ok to your Md 12. You have the most common Md 12 Field grade gun made, (30in. Full Choke) So based on your disription, about $275 to $350. on any given day. Maybe a little more if parted out and sold off for parts. In it's day your Winchester was the best pump gun on the market!! Winchester use to guarantee at 30 yards you get at least 70% of the shot in a 30 in. circle with a Full Choke. You have to remember back then all they had was the old paper shells, with the fiber wads. With todays shells and the plastic cup wad I've seen these old Md 12/s pattern better than 90%!! at 30 yards. Probably why your dad went to an 870 with a more open choke, he probably got tired of quailburger, LOL Regards Dave 0 -
Thanks Dave. I cleaned the gun today... brought back a lot of good memories. Appreciate your help. Cheers, David 0 -
quote:Originally posted by captain cove
Seems impossable to find an older model 12 in 20 ga. 26 in. barrel with cylinder or imp. cyl bore. Plenty of others around but none as described. are they that scarce ?.
I bought one today in a pawn shop near my home. 20 ga., 26", imp. cyl. choke. It is in very nice condition. I am taking it to S.D. to hunt pheasants Monday.0
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