German Junger Rangefinder Scope on M1A?
I noticed What-A-Country has German Junger Rangerfinder scopes in "excellent condition". The ad says they were built for the Israeli military (which probably would mean they are decent?) and originally sold for $500.00. They have them for right at $150.00. This seems like it might be a decent inexpensive option for an M1A/M14 style rifle IF the rangefinder is suitable for 7.62 NATO/.308. Does anyone have any info on these? I tried doing some searches, couldn't find any info on them at all.
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We missed you at breakfast/gunshow last Sunday!
I've seen these scopes and wondered the same thing ....If you really want to do something, you'll find a way ...
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I never heard of that scope either, but I would be cautious.
Even if they were made for the Israeli military, that doesn't mean that they were actually used by the Israeli military, or that they were even accepted by them. I don't believe that they were used on the M21, & I know that they were not used on the M16. Who knows what they were used for?
In any case, it's not clear if the scopes are only rangefinders, or if they are the Bullet Drop Compensator types used by police & military for at least the last 20 years. And, if they are BDC, do they have a .308 cam?
You also need to know the size of the scope, & if rings are available. And, what do they weigh? A few years ago I almost bought an ex-Israeli ACOG, but fortunately learned in time that it weighed almost 2 lbs.
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Our wedding aniversary is coming up, so the wife ordered one of these for me, thought that would be a reduced risk chance to check on out. It's bound to be a good match for at least one of my rifles. I am no scope expert, but having one in-hand will be a chance for me to check it out, as well as show it to other folk who are more knowledgable than myself on the subject of optics. I will keep you updated with a future report.
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Thought I'd give a report, just cause i promised one.
First thing I would note is whatacountry misspelled the name, their add says Junger scope. It is a Jungner scope.
Got it, but returned it for a replacement. Have not received the replacement yet.
First one had a problem with a "mottled" appearance in the lens, talked to a guy that knows, he said he thought the lenses were delaminating.
Hope the replacement doesn't show the same characteristics.
Interesting optics, optics are incremented in gradations of 100 to 600 yards. Has what appears to be an interesting estimator of range in the way of parabolic curves along the side of the crosshairs.
First one was not worth the $150 due to the lens mottling. Will wait and see what the replacement is like. First opinion is that it might be a very good scope for an AR15 when very quick range adjustments are appropriate.
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They sent a replacement that is much better, but all in all, I don't think I would recommend one. I think they are ranged for the 5.56 NATO round, not the 7.62 NATO round. Has crosshair increments from "battlefield zero" through 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, amd 600 yards, with one division betweeen each of those. The crosshairs are pretty "fine" (or maybe faint is a better word) and hard to see against a dark background. Mine was dated 1972, with some Hebrew script. There's a lot of stuff I still have not figured out on it yet, knobs and adjustments, hope to get a better idea this weekend at a gunshow. Maybe I'll change my mind when someone can explain it all to me. It was probably very nice in 1972, but I feel it is a bit "out-dated" with some of the current optices out there.
Oh, their ad says Junger, the scope is marked Jungner, but even the new spelling didn't help with internet searches.
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