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Does 100% = NIB....No box = 98%????

vipereater
I'm haggling price on a 1955 Colt Trooper 4" barreled .22LR with all the fancy accessories. It's a unfired minty. He thinks it's a 100% gun but I told him that in order for it to be 100% it would have to be NIB. No box places this gun in the 98% category. Opinions? THX

Kevin
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  • gskyhawk
    most gun shops would agree with you and in this case with this gun being what it is I would too , 98% gun
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  • mark christian
    As far as I am concerned the lack of a box does not drop the overall condition of any firearm by 2%. If it a 100% gun which is unfired then it remains that way box or not, but most collectors and dealers (myself included) will pay a premium for the factory box, papers, and hang tag (if applicable).

    Mark T. Christian
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  • bobski
    its common practice to identify original finish with percetages such as 99%, 100%, etc... sounds to me like your gun is in 100% original condition but only 98% 'complete' as a collectors piece.

    former air operations officer SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 2. former navy skeet team, former navy rifle/pistol team member. co-owner skeetmaster tubes inc.. owner/operator professional shooting instruction. NRA certified instructor.
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  • vipereater
    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    As far as I am concerned the lack of a box does not drop the overall condition of any firearm by 2%. If it a 100% gun which is unfired then it remains that way box or not, but most collectors and dealers (myself included) will pay a premium for the factory box, papers, and hang tag (if applicable).

    Mark T. Christian


    I always thought the factory box, papers, and hang tag (if applicable) was that 2% difference. The 98% - 100% gap. I also pay a premium for the box but is this cost factored in after the 98% or after the 100% gun cost? If I understand correctly the gun is 100% and anything else would be above and beyond that.

    KL
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  • CHGOTHNDER
    I'm with Mark & Dano on this one, I have a 2 1/2" Python w?hang tags but without the box and it is "consumer" unfired and it is most definatly 100%, also no one can say a firearm is unfired as they fire it at the factory. JM2C.

    PJ

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  • Xracer
    Mark & Dano get my vote too:

    100%, NIB - Never fired, New-In-Box with all instruction sheets, manuals, etc. that normally come with the new firearm.

    100% - New, never fired, no box or papers.

    98% - As new, fired only a few times.



    "When buying an old British sports car, "Rust Free" simply means no extra charge for the rust." [:D]
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  • Bert H.
    My take on it is this...

    100% NIB - New with all paperwork/manuals AND the box... value/price = 100%.

    100% New/unfired - without the original box & manual/paperwork... value/price = 95% (at best).

    98% graded condition - with all paperwork/manuals AND the box... value/price = 98%. Without the original box & manual/paperwork... value/price = 90% (at best).

    As you can see, I personally place more value on a slightly lesser condition gun that is 100% complete, and many of the fellows I personally know are the same. The ONLY time that any firearm is worth 100%, is when it is truly 100% NIB.


    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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  • vipereater
    If you were the seller what price would you place on this gun? There is not even a turn line on the cylinder. It truely is minty. It has the target grips and stocks. Keep in mind that I'm not looking to resell but to hold this gun for 30 years. I think $650 is fair but the seller has $775 in mind. He claims that this gun was a special order because of the target stocks and grips. I feel it's an option, not a special order. THX KL
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  • heavyiron
    Hello -

    I think you are creating an issue that doesn't exist.

    Was the seller selling the gun as NIB or a 100% gun for a given price?

    In my humble opinion, the Blue Book price(or thereabouts)for a 100% gun is 100% - the full price, not 98% because there is no box. The gun is still 100% - not 100% minus 2% because there is no box. The gun is still 100%, not 98% because there is not box. This sounds like an argument a tort lawyer would make. Get real!

    Now if the gun is advertised as NIB, 100% then the price could include a 100% gun plus a premium for being "in the box".

    Regards,
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  • only winchesters
    Good morning vipereater: Lots of opinions here, very interesting. If you have a gun that's 5 years old NIB, and 100% that's not uncommon. But if you have a 40,50, or 60 year old gun NIB, that would command a premium, why because there are very few on the market. In your case, you are looking at a gun that is 49 years old, that's 100% with no box or papers. Yes the gun is still 100% without the box. How many 49 year old Colts that are 100% are on the market with those features at any given time? Not many!! Would I expect to pay a little more than market for it, possibly. The extra features, do add value. The gun you mentioned, with the 4 in. barrel is scarce according to my book, add in that it's 100%, you could look a long time to find another one. If you really want it split the difference. Regards Dave
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  • duckhunter
    WITH A GUN THAT OLD AND THAT CONDITION IT IS JUST A MATTER OF , DO YOU WANT THE GUN OR NOT. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE ON AN ITEM THAT OLD AND THAT NICE. EITHER BUY IT OR FORGET IT.

    I WOULD RATHER BE DUCK HUNTING.
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