lifting of ban
I have a pre ban ar-15....what will happen to the value of this if the ban is lifted on monday ?
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The price will drop back down to an post ban weapon cause it will be lagel to put anthing on the post ban rifle.
Sorry[:(]
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Don't fear the night, fear what hunts at night. ME!!0 -
Ditto. My guess is that prices will drop immediately after the ban for previously banned weapons.
However, might prices be momentarily higher because demand will be greater than supply initially?
I have read discussions on this board that predict the ban will be a short lived one, and that because it is short lived, there will be a buying frenzy so prices will go up.
This is really like looking into a cyrstal ball and I don't know if anyone can really predict the short or long term impact. I don't see any reason for ban to be short lived - or at least until there is a democratic president and congress. Therefore, I believe prices may start out on the high side then decrease with time, as demand lessens and prices stabilize.
I plan on waiting until the rush is over before I begin purchasing.
Just opinion.
Regards,
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Wouldn't it be great if we started importing bucketloads of AK's and stuff again?
"...hit your enemy in the belly, and kick him when he is down, and boil his prisoners in oil- if you take any- and torture his women and children. Then people will keep clear of you..." -Admiral of the Fleet Lord Fisher, speaking at the Hague Peace Conf0 -
This ban is for domestically produced assault weapons, like the ar-15. The imported ones like the Daewoo dr200 and H&K model 91/G3 are still banned. Unless the AK47's etc. are made in good old USA, they're still gonna be banned.
This is my understanding.
"That which does not kill us makes us stronger."
- Friedrich Nietsche
"Only the strong survive."
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Romanian AK's are imported here every day and sold cheap (Under 300) 0 -
does anyone know of a place where (after the ban dies, of course) one could get drums for guns that are no longer in production? like, oh say, the Calico Liberty 100?
Whenever you find a man who says he doesn't believe in a real Right and Wrong, you will find the same man going back on this a moment later.
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Dream on Hardly Ableson .The ban's not likely to sunset. Your investment's safe. There's too much bad press out there on "Assault"
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v35 - I believe it ends at midnight tonight. What affect it will have on firearms production and prices remains to be seen. 0 -
The ban sun sets at midnight EDT 13 September, 2004 unless a bill is passed to renew, extend, or replace it with another ban. Here is all that needs to be done to keep the Clinton legacy alive; With in the next 24 hours. Someone (like DiFI or Schumer) must introduce a bill in the Senate (there are three or four sitting around), get the Senate together for the vote (there may be an attempt for a filibuster but it would probably be broken easily) and pass the bill. There are believed to be enough votes in the Senate to do so, although a tie would bring the VP in for the tie breaking vote and what he would actually do (he is a big pro gun rights guy) is anyones guess but I am figuring that there are enough votes in the Senate to extend the ban and pass the bill, though probably not enough to pass a new more restrictive bill this quickly.
Over in the House things are done much differently. You need to have a bill already sitting in committee to be voted on and passed by that committee and that will not be easy in such a brief time. There is a method to bring a bill directly out of committee and onto the House floor but it is seldom accomplished because the House leadership does not appreciate it one bit and any such rouge House members who try this often find themselves banished to the committee on fish hatcheries! If the bill passes and gets out of committee it needs to be put on the House agenda for a vote and debate and this is controled by the Speaker who can easily discover that there is no time to vote on the bill and that is that. If it is put on the agenda for a vote there will be about a two hour debate after which it is widely beleived that such a bill would fail to pass in the house and that would wrap things up right there.
If by some outside chance it does pass the House then the bill then goes to a joint Senate/House conference committee to iron out any differences between the Senate passed bill and the House bill. If there are any diferences then the committee must iron them out and create a new consolidated bill which must then go back to both the Seante and House for another round of voting. If by some chance the new bill fails to pass then it is game over. If the bill does pass, or if the Senate and House bills were each identical from the very start, then the bill goes directly to the Presisent for his signature. If he signs the bill it becomes law or if he does nothing it becomes law without his signature. The President can veto the bill and it will have to go back to both houses for a 2/3 vote in each house to over ride his veto but this is not easy to do and an over ride on this bill won't happen because there would be no where near the votes in the House (the original 1994 Crime Bill passed by only two votes). There is also something called a "pocket veto" but this won't apply in our case. So as you can see there is a LOT for the anti gunners to do in just 24 hours time.
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quote:Originally posted by mark christian
. . . If the bill does pass, or if the Senate and House bills were each identical from the very start, then the bill goes directly to the Presisent for his signature. If he signs the bill it becomes law or if he does nothing it becomes law without his signature. The President can veto the bill and it will have to go back to both houses for a 2/3 vote in each house to over ride his veto but this is not easy to do and an over ride on this bill won't happen because there would be no where near the votes in the House (the original 1994 Crime Bill passed by only two votes). There is also something called a "pocket veto" but this won't apply in our case. So as you can see there is a LOT for the anti gunners to do in just 24 hours time.
Mark T. Christian
I think that's a fantastic summary of the overall legislative process and what might happen with this bill.
Two things: I don't think they are going to try and ram this through right now in peak election season. The dems lost too many votes the last time on this issue. .which doesn't mean they can't try again in 1 month. .6 months. . .2 years. . . etc.
Second, just to clarify. If the President doesn't like a bill, he can outright veto it; it's dead. In practice, Presidents don't do this very often.
If the President doesn't sign it, as you said, it becomes law anyway in ten days, if the Congress is in session. If the Congress is NOT in session ten days later, and the President doesn't sign, that's the "pocket veto". . .the bill is dead without an actual veto. Why would he do this instead of just vetoing it? It's a less politically charged way of killing bills, particularly at the end of a session when things could get quickly rammed through.
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As to what's going to happen to the price of post-sunset, pre-ban weapons, its simple supply and demand.
Is demand really going to increase post-sunset? I kind of doubt it. Except for folding stocks, nearly identical weapons are already available, and I would imagine anyone who REALLY wanted a pre-ban gun has probably bought one already.
Are there going to be a whole bunch of people who run out and go "Bayonet lugs are legal now, I better grab one while I can?". . .maybe a few, but most of the people like that probably bought a long time ago. There might be a short-term spike in price as these people make their buys, and maybe as the sunset itself attracts publicity to these kinds of weapons but I doubt that effect is going to be either significant or long-lived. If someone were savvy enough to wait until the sunset to make their buy, they might be savvy enough to wait a little while longer to see what the manufacturers do and what happens to the prices before they do it.
As to supply, now that these guns are legal again, total supply can only go UP if/when the manufacturers resume making guns with pre-ban features. Frankly, though, I suspect that many of them won't even bother retooling. Folding stocks might be popular, but do buyers REALLY want bayonet lugs? Assuming pre-ban like guns were manufactured again, the difference in production cost between those and the post-ban guns would be so small, that I dont think you're going to see much of a price increase. How much extra does it really cost a manufacturer to thread barrels when you are spitting out thousands of them a week?
Bottom line, I think, is that after the sunset, pre-ban guns are inevitably going to drop in price. Things are more expensive when they are banned, less so when they are legal. These guns went up in price after the ban, they should drop again now, particularly if manufacturers start making them again.
Of course if you REALLY want to know for sure, just track the auctions on Gunbroker over the next few weeks and see what happens. I think a study like that would make great "ammunition" for opponents of the gun bans!
As an aside, now that it looks like I could, I personally would be interested in obtaining a .223 carbine with a telescoping stock. (Can anyone suggest a manufacturer? I'm thinking Colt should be OK). Will I take barrel threads? You bet I would. Do I want a bayonet lug?. . .not if it costs more! High cap mags? I'd love some. . .but they are illegal where I live anyway! Am I going to run out and buy one ASAP because the ban sunsetted? No. I'm going to wait and see what happens. I can certainly live without this item, and I'm not willing to pay a huge markup just for a pre-ban collapsible stock. If the manufacturers start putting them out at competitive prices, I'd bite.0
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