high cap .22
ok...i live in MA...i have a class C license because im under 21...meaning i can only buy shotguns and rifles that will only accept no more than 10 rounds in a detacheable clip...however...im allowed to own a ruger 10/22 semi auto rifle...which can take a 50 round clip and probably more...so when i asked the guy at a firearms retailer why i could own the ruger 10/22 and not the ruger mini-14 he told me that the mini-14 is considered and "assault rifle" due to the fact that it can take more than 10 round detacheable clips...so i made the point that a 10/22 can as well...he said its "ok" because the .22 was not as "lethal" as a mini 14 and i could own high cap clips for it...so, with that being said...would i be able to purchase a rifle such as the Calico M-100? i stumbled across one online and i like it even though it looks like a space gun...does anyone know the rules/laws for this? thanks
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quote:Originally posted by cannibus
would i be able to purchase a rifle such as the Calico M-100? i stumbled across one online and i like it even though it looks like a space gun...does anyone know the rules/laws for this? thanks
The rule for firearms laws is pretty much this - if you behave responsibly and don't get hassled for other reasons, you can own what you like. Go ahead and buy it and keep your nose clean.0 -
i wish it were that easy but its not 0 -
Did you ever think of buying more than one 10 Rnd mag? 
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You live in a tough state with some over the top regs.
If I were you I would not even mess with the high cap 10/22 mags. Just buy up several 10 round mags. and add an extended mag release to make mag. changes a little easier.
If you only have time to do two things so-so, or one thing well ... do the one thing!0 -
your guy at the retail store is full of it!!!the mini-14 is NOT an assualt weapon, just ask BILL RUGER, he has paid out BIG BUCKS to make sure it isnt!!! unless the mini you looked at was in a folding stock, with a pistol grip, and had a HIGH CAP MAG with it !!!there is no difference between the ruger 10-22 and the mini-14, other than caliber, IN YOUR CASE!!!!BUT CHECK YOUR LOCAL AND STATE AUTHORITIES FIRST. before you get swollen balls and raise "h' with this retail salesperson!!! you are young, EDUCATE YOUSELF, BEFORE TAKING A STANCE!!! 0 -
i know its not an assault rifle...it comes with a standard 5 round mag...however they can accept high cap mags...therefore making them "evil" in the eyes of many people...i even calld the lieutenant who issued me my FID card to ask him...he said he didnt think there was anything wrong with me owning one because he had one and thought it wasa fun plinker...hethen called me back the next day to say it was considered an "assault rifle" in MA[:(!]...but what i want to know is if anyone knows if the .22 round is considered high cap or not? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by cannibus
i know its not an assault rifle...it comes with a standard 5 round mag...however they can accept high cap mags...therefore making them "evil" in the eyes of many people...i even calld the lieutenant who issued me my FID card to ask him...he said he didnt think there was anything wrong with me owning one because he had one and thought it wasa fun plinker...hethen called me back the next day to say it was considered an "assault rifle" in MA[:(!]...but what i want to know is if anyone knows if the .22 round is considered high cap or not?
Cannibus, I have the misfortune of also residing in the People's Republik of Massachusetts, and I'd like to make a few points:
1. MA is just plain crazy when it comes to much of its firearms law. There is simply no other way to put it. For example, as you probably know, it is currently against the law to shoot a firearm at a depiction of a human being in MA. If you are caught shooting an Osama Bin Laden target at a range, for example, you could be subject to a $10,000 fine, and the range owner could have his license revoked. As another bit of trivia, no new pistol chambered in .22 WMR or .38 Super is currently "approved" in MA. Why not. . .who knows? Probably nobody thought to ask. (see below)
http://www.mass.gov/chsb/pdfs/frb/frb_approved_roster_2002.pdf
I could go on. . .but for the sake of my own blood pressure, I won't.
2. Your 10/22 *IS DEFINITELY* considered a "high capacity" weapon in MA, if it is anywhere in the proximity of a magazine capable of holding more than ten rounds. Caliber has nothing to do with this. Therefore as a minor under 21 you can't legally possess it. If you had a class B license you could possess a high capacity rifle, but not a high capacity pistol.
This list is NOT perfectly up to date (so be careful), but it does give you a good idea of what the rules are:
http://www.police.edgartown.ma.us/gun12.htm
Now the sticker in your case is, if you have the rifle, but don't actually possess a high capacity magazine, is it still considered "high capacity" in MA? I was recently told by someone who ought to know that the current state of the law on this is ambiguous. Maybe you can. . .maybe you can't. Depends on the whims of the judge and jury in that courtroom on that day, etc.
3. But as the poster above pointed out, as long as you don't actually cause any trouble. . .and particularly as long as you don't look like you are going to cause any trouble. . .you shouldn't have a problem. . .especially if you keep your magazines limited to those that won't hold more than ten rounds! (Just carry seven or eight of them ;-).
4. And one bit of friendly advice. . .what you like to do in the privacy of your own home is your business, but the name "Cannibus" doesn't exactly smack of the sort of serious, sober responsibility that the serious no-sense-of-humor people handing out the gun licenses in MA like to see. If you make sure everything on the outside looks OK, you'll get farther. . .Follow me?0 -
Ref my copy of the DOJ 2004 25th Edition (The purple book)
State Laws and Ordinances-Firearms
Massachusetts
Ch 140 Licences-Sale of Firearms
121 Firearms sales; definitions
"Large Capacity feeding device"
Fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device
capable or that can be readily converted of accepting more than 10 rounds.
Shall not include attached tubular device designed to accept and capable of operating only wiht .22 caliber ammunition.
That clear enough?0 -
hey beantown...email me! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 22WRF
Ref my copy of the DOJ 2004 25th Edition (The purple book)
State Laws and Ordinances-Firearms
Massachusetts
Ch 140 Licences-Sale of Firearms
121 Firearms sales; definitions
"Large Capacity feeding device"
Fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device
capable or that can be readily converted of accepting more than 10 rounds.
Shall not include attached tubular device designed to accept and capable of operating only wiht .22 caliber ammunition.
That clear enough?
I think it makes sense. The 10/22 has a boxy magazine, therefore any such gun with a 30 round clip is definitely considered "high capacity" in MA. But I think the issue for this kid is, what if your gun is "capable" of accepting a large capacity magazine, but you don't actually have one? Again, I have been told that its OK to possess such a gun. . .(except when it isn't). But the second a large-capacity clip enters the room (doesnt even have to be in the gun), unless you have the class B license, you've just committed a "no-no"
And by the way, it looks like I spoke to soon on that last post. I just checked the most recent MA "approved" list (4/04) and there now is one gun each in .22 WMR and .38 super you can get! But you still can't get ANY Taurus pistol.0
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