must be 21 to buy pistol grip shotgun??????
i saw a mossberg 500 12 guage with a pistol grip. tried to buy it for 185. but was told i needed to be 21 to purchase it since it is considered a handgun since it has a pistol grip. i was very confused since i had never heard this before! i live in oregon. anyone ever ran into this problem before?
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Critria is 26 inches overall with a 18 inch barrel for a shotgun. If it meets the size, it's a shotgun.
Shortbarrelled shotguns are considered "Any Other Weapon" if barrel is less than 18 inches.
Federal Law, your state may vary.
Nope, never heard of it.
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Bingeebob, I do believe you are right. Shotguns with pistol-grip only stocks or folders are treated as handguns in the eyes of the law. Buyers and owners must meet the same requirements as if purchasing or owning a handgun. I've run into this several times in NC. Here you even need a handgun purchase permit to buy one. Ridiculous but true. 0 -
This is not federal law. I think perhaps their are some mis-informed sales clerks, or else some states classify them as handguns, but the BATFE does not classify them as handguns, they are longguns.
Jess Hoffman
Mooseyard Precision
LE Supply & Firearms
NRA Certified Instructor
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Mooseyard's got it right on this one. What you may be encountering is a local and/or state regulation.
The FEDS consider it a long gun.
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Look at the Feb 1999 FFL Newsletter. It clearly states that a pistol grip shotgun without a shoulder stock is NOT considered a shotgun and the purchaser must be age 21 or over. 0 -
You need only read 921(a)(5) to learn that the definition of a shotgun under federal law is a smooth bore firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder. 921(a)(29) defines a handgun as a firearm with a short stock designed to be fired by the use of one hand. End result? A pistol gripped shotgun is a handgun under federal law just like the 1999 newsletter TW mentioned points out. Many states have their own regulations which define shotguns and these include the pistol gripped variety like the Mossberg "Camper" which are not considered handguns under state law. By the way, short barreled shotguns and Any Other Weapons are totally different animals and this mistake has been quite costly to a number of misinformed individuals.
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Mark,
I know it's a no-no to take an AR15 receiver registered as a rifle and make a pistol out of it. Why do they let people do the same with pump shotguns?Without Bill Ruger there would of been no ban .0 -
I cant remember the exact date this came in but as far as I know that these are considered a Class II or III weapon and can not be purchased by anyone under 21.
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He is not making a pistol out of the Mossberg Red, it is simply a case of the correct age to purchase that shotgun. You can take an AR-15 with a legal length barrel and remove the butt stock- leaving just the pistol grip- and you have done nothing, but if you replace the barrel with one under 16" then you have an issue because you just made a pistol out of a rifle. As long as the Mossberg's barrel stays over 18" there is no problem adding the pistol grip, the problem is being old enough to purchase the firearm. If you were to go below 18" on that Mossberg Camper (no butt stock) then you have just created an Any Other Weapon and that will cost you a $200 NFA tax. Add a barrel under 18" to a Mossberg 500 which had a butt stock and you just created a short barreled shotgun and that will also cost you $200. MFI, Class II is for manufacturers of National Firearms Act weapons and Class III is for dealers of such weapons. A Shotgun with a barrel over 18" is NOT a National Firearms Act weapon.
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I have a FFL newsletter here from August 1998 which states:
Licencees are reminded that certain commercially prodeuced "shotguns" do not fall within the definition of shotgun under the GCA. Firearms such as the Mossberg 500 Camper and Persuader 500 and all other makes and models, which come equipped with a pistol grip in place of the butt stock are not shotguns under the GCA. Therefore , they cannot be sold or delivered by a licensee to any person less than 21 years of age.
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