AP ammo or steel core ammo
How can you tell the difference between armor peircing ammo and steel core ammo? A magnet sticks to both.
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Are you sure this is steel core ammo?
It looks like the commie "copper washed" ammo. This has a lead slug with a very thin steel jacket, then it has a thin copper plating.
It does stick to a magnet. Pull a slug and cut it in two with a hacksaw you will be able to tell easily.0 -
"AP" and "steel core" mean the bullet has a hard metal core that will not deform and will penetrate hard objects more effectively.
What you have pictured is "steel case" ammo. That merely means the cartidge case is made of steel, not brass.
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This was the description for the auction.
quote:(RARE)!!!!You are bidding on 1 full box of Norinco ammo in full metal jacket.I DON'T KNOW IF THIS STUFF IS ARMOR PIERCING OR STEEL CORE BUT A MAGNET DOES STICK TO THEM.I can tell you this stuff is NON CORROSIVE Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!http://www.awbansunset.com/0 -
Sounds like typical auction BS to me. He's trying to make it sound like you're getting something special when it's really repackaged surplus.
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Anyone can call anything "rare", or apply other adjectives implying something is hard to find, get, etc.
It's the ability to sort the "fly crap" from the "pepper" that is more valuable, so that in cases like this you really know what is what.
The ammo is the basic "wash" stuff, but perhaps the mfg. (Norinco) may not be all that plentiful, so you could be the proud owner of some low end ammo by a mfg. that hasn't been doing business in the USA for a while. Of course neither may really be the case.
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R9r, this was simply someone who didn't know what he had or hoped the buyer didn't. I shot off cases of this stuff over the years; it simply has GM clad steel jacketed bullets . . . a common design in European military loadings and the predominant jacket type of the Nazi & Soviet Bloc factories. It's no more AP than our own .30-06 M2 (alternate) ball, which used the same sort of jackets. You cannot make a positive ID on AP vs. steel jacketed bullets solely by use of a magnet.
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Well, all I paid for it was $5 for 20 rounds.
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This is the packaging difference between the steel core bullets and the steel case cartridges.
Description:
You are bidding on 20 rounds of Steel Core 7.62x39mm Norinco NonCorrosive ammunition. Made in 1987 BEFORE the steel core ammo ban ( thus no "steel core" on box label ). Shut off in 1994. Armor piercing ammo. Box included but greenish in color and older types did not say steel. I guarantee they are. This is the real military armor piercing ammo . This ammo was banned in 1994 and there can never be anymore, so get it while you can. This ammo is sealed with a red primer around the bullet and primer for moisture protection. This ammo has a copper washed steel case and is non-corrosive. Penetrates 3/8" steel.
http://www.forthehunt.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=21846005
You saved 85 cents or maybe a little more, by buying your auction. There are internet suppliers selling case lots for the equivalent of $5.85/box of 20.
Here is part of an article on the ban:
1994 Steel-Core Importation Ban
BATF, Olympic Arms, and that "cheap" Chinese 7.62x39mm
On 2 February 1994, there was issued an ATF encyclical placing 35 importers of "7.62 X 39mm steel core ammunition" and all Federal Firearms Licensees on immediate notice that those rounds were now considered "armor piercing." Quoting ATF Director, John W. Magaw, as stating "...(t)hese bullets are designed, when used in handguns, to pose a life-threatening risk to all law enforcement officers," the notification stated:
"Recent production of handguns that are designed to fire 7.62 X 39mm steel core ammunition has resulted in the reclassification of that ammunition as armor piercing (which) can only be sold to law enforcement or governmental agencies. Prior to introduction of these handguns in the marketplace, 7.62 X 39mm ammunition was not considered armor piercing, because it was only used in rifles -- primarily SKS/AK rifles."
With this preemptive move, ATF struck a formidable blow at owners of between 7 and 8 million SKS rifles believed to be in this country, as well as those with AKs and sundry other shoulder-fired ordnance in that chambering. With a prime supply of "cheap ammo" suddenly gone, the cost of their shooting game had just gone up. As it was with the majority of small arms ammunition in the post-Brady Law hording frenzy, 7.62 X 39mm was already in extremely short supply, and the cost of an 1,100 round case of even lead core, available from over-stocked distributors during the summer of 1993 at $90/case, was suddenly selling in the $149 to $209 range... when it could be found! Ironically, the importation price of the restricted steel core ammunition was actually three dollars per case less expensive than the lead fodder from Norinco via China Sports, the country's largest importer of 7.62 X 39mm.0 -
RugerNiner,
I don't know about paying $5 for 20, But if its any consolation most 7.62x39 fully jacketed ammo is considered a type of AP because of its high penetration capability.
In most cases FMJ will do the trick for you. I don't know exactly what you are using it for but FMJ will work fine, even on heavier vehicles. The only time you might need actual AP is going up against heavily armored vehicles.[;)] BE SAFE!!![:D]
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I have shot a bunch of this Norinco ammo over the years. I picked up about 10 boxes in 1993 at $2.00 a box. It is not rare and it is not AP. The Russians and the Chinese use steel because it is cheaper and more available than brass or copper. Brass and copper are much more valuable in developing nations than it is in the US.
Usually AP ammo is of military origin and has a color coding to identify the round. AP is made of a dense hardened steel. It is very much different than a steel jacketed bullet. Shoot both at a steel plated backstop and compare the results.
I think the seller either didn't know jack about what he was selling or knew exactly what he was selling. In either case, I think he should be warned about what he has done in the interest of honest advertising on the internet and for the integrity of the website.
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