I.D this ammo. (pic added)
I found some bullets and need to know what they are. The markings are as followed. The number 12 at 12 O'clock, a Star at 3 O'clock, the number 54 at 6 O'clock,and another Star at 9 O'clock. The primers have some type of Red paint on them. Anyone have any idea what they are?
On the left is a 308win 150gr SPBT,Middle unkown bullet, On the right is a 270win 150gr SP.
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On the left is a 308win 150gr SPBT,Middle unkown bullet, On the right is a 270win 150gr SP.
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Some dimensions would help even more than the headstamp data . . . .
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Are the stars five pointed or six pointed?
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"...bullets..." Don't have markings. Loaded rounds generally do. What flavour of ammo? Bullets are the projectile. Loaded ammo is the case and bullet together.
Sounds like some kind of military ball ammo made in Dec of 1954. The red 'paint' on the primer is a sealant.0 -
The overall length of the brass is a little over 2in. I don't have a caliper at this time to do more indepth measurements. And the stars have 5 points.
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Rimmed, belted or rimless?
Streight case or bottleneck?
I'm assuming it's a rifle round due to the length you've posted, and that it's military due to the HS.
Approx diameter of the rim (nearest 32nd of a inch)?
Approx length of case (nearest 32nd of a inch)?
Approx length OAL (nearest 32nd of a inch)?
Approx dia of bullet (compair to known bullets).
The 8mm Mauser (7.92x57) has a rimless case that's just under 2 1/4" long and a rim diameter of 15/32
The 7.62x54R has a rimmed case that's just under 2 1/16" and a rim diameter of 9/16
The 7.62NATO (7.62x51/308Win) has a rimless case that's just over 2" long and a rim diameter of 15/32
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D@D,
I think what people are saying here is that in order identify the cartridge some specific identifying information is required.
For example, what is the bullet diameter, OAL of the cartridge, length of case, is the case head: rimmed, semi-rimmed, rimless, rebated, belted, is the case: str[8D]aight, tapered, bottleneck, is the bullet FMJ, lead, softpoint, hollowpoint, does it look like a rifle or pistol cartridge. A photograph would help immensely.
Cartridge identification is a type of hobby for me so I am interested in this type of question, but often I get stuck myself on the identification.
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I went through all my references, only factory that I could find that uses either a "12" or a "54" as a I.D. designator is a factory in Poland ( Panstwowa Fabryka ), which uses "54"
It's hard to tell in the picture, but my WAG is that the cartridge is 7.92 x 57mm, ( 8mm Mauser ).0 -
Thanks Rufe-snow. I'm going to bring it to my local shop and see if they can ID it.Thanks for all yalls input.
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D@D, I'll save you the trip - Yugoslav 7.92x57 . . . 12 is the factory code; don't know which arsenal.
Just as a comment, a headstamp can be key to determing who made a given round, but it helps enormously to have dimensional data & a photo to go beyond that. Most companies & government arsenals have loaded a diverse selection of cartridges over the years. Consider, just for example, Frankford Arsenal. Over a good 150 years, not only did they prepare cartridges for virtually all the small arms types accepted for military use, the vast bulk of experimental designs were loaded there. The first headstamped rounds out of there were .50-70 for the trapdoor Springfield, the last 5.56x45 for the M16 some hundred plus years later.
Not trying to give you a hard time, but to convey some idea of the complexity of the field. It actually is far more complicated than identifying firearms, as there are almost an infinitely larger number of loadings - something like 10,000 + in 9x19 alone. I don't collect 9mmP, BTW! [:D]
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Pretty sure its 8X57 Mauser from Yugoslavia.
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quote:Iconoclast Posted - 08/14/2004 : 6:02:49 PM
D@D, I'll save you the trip - Yugoslav 7.92x57 . . . 12 is the factory code; don't know which arsenal.
Just as a comment, a headstamp can be key to determing who made a given round, but it helps enormously to have dimensional data & a photo to go beyond that. Most companies & government arsenals have loaded a diverse selection of cartridges over the years. Consider, just for example, Frankford Arsenal. Over a good 150 years, not only did they prepare cartridges for virtually all the small arms types accepted for military use, the vast bulk of experimental designs were loaded there. The first headstamped rounds out of there were .50-70 for the trapdoor Springfield, the last 5.56x45 for the M16 some hundred plus years later.
Not trying to give you a hard time, but to convey some idea of the complexity of the field. It actually is far more complicated than identifying firearms, as there are almost an infinitely larger number of loadings - something like 10,000 + in 9x19 alone. I don't collect 9mmP, BTW!
I know yall ain't trying to bust my [8][8].I was not thinking about all the other loads out their that it could have been. Thanks for the help.
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According to THE CARTRIDGE GUIDE, China and Yugoslavia are the only two countries that use the particular headstamp (with 5 point stars) you mentioned.
The index number for your reference is 2076 and 2077.
Since both countries used 8mm in their history, that is most likely the caliber.
Cruelty was a rare thing in the war. Fireside folks who talk about war and read about it, they figure it's cruel more often than not, but it simply isn't so... You kill in war to survive, and not because of any desire to kill.
Many men avoid battle not from cowardice but from fear of cowardice, fear that when the moment of truth comes they will not have the courage to face up to it. L'Amour0
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