Surplus rifles-which are best-cheapest?
I would like to know which surplus rifles U.S., russian ,german it matters not, are the cheapest to shoot. I want to get the most bang for my buck, the most shots for my dollar while shooting an accurate firearm. I am interested in shooters not collectables. What should I be looking for and at what price? Also how much would I be looking at to purchase a shooter M1 garand? Any information will be greatly appreciated.
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The M1 Garand is going to be the most expensive rifle of your grouping to purchase as well as to shoot. Prices direct from the CMP range from under $400 to around $500 for shooting examples but .30-06 ammo is fairly pricey these days and good MILSURP is running short. The least expensive choice would be any of the Russian M-Nagant rifles and carbines such as the Model 1891/30, Model 1938, or Model 1944. Any of these would be fine shooters, ammo is cheap and easy to find, they are fairly accurate and pack plenty of punch since they use a full sized thirty caliber cartridge. Right now prices are as low as $70 or less for excellent reconditioned examples.
Mark T. Christian0 -
id listen to mark . if you want true cheap go with WOLF!!!!! 0 -
I shoot my 303 British Martini Enfield single shot with 4756 powder, cast my bullets and paper patch them. Never have to buy brass because I never size the cases. Don't need any loading equipment. Just knock out the primer, push in a new primer, dip the powder, seat the paper patched bullet by hand and allow the breechblock to seat the bullet uniformly into the bore. However you do need a bullet mold. Any old cast iron pot will do on the kitchen stove. Accuracy runs about 2 inches at 100yds from the bench. Now this is the cheapest way to shoot. Sincerely, onepopper
one popper0 -
i own several military rifles the cheapest to shoot is the sks russian or chinesee shells are around $6.00 per box at wal-mart and about $65.00 per case at gun shows the rifles run from around$125.00 up to $300.00 depending where you find them my experience with them is they are very accurate
ONE SHOT ONE KILL.....
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The best of the Mosin Nagants is the Finnish M39.
You pick up one of these for $139 you will have a great shooter. They have a pistol grip stock and very good adjustable sights.
It doesn't matter for the shooter whether you get SAKO, VKT, or SKY, they are equally accurate.
When the Finns manufactured these rifles during WW2, they test fired each gun. In order to meet the Finn standards, the rifle had to shoot a 1 1/2 inch group at 100 yards.
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quote:Originally posted by onepopper
Any old cast iron pot will do on the kitchen stove. Sincerely, onepopper
one popper
Casting bullets on the kitchen stove, puts both yours, and most importantly, your familys lives in danger.
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Having never done any bullet casting, I am curious as to the nature of the health hazard. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ktbunger
Having never done any bullet casting, I am curious as to the nature of the health hazard.
Lead is extremely toxic! it builds up in your body over a period of time.
I use to shoot with a guy who was on multiple pistol teams and did a lot of shooting on indoor ranges. The level of lead in his system reached such a dangerous point, that the docters made him stop.
Because of the above, casting bullets on the kitchen stove indoors with questionable ventilation, is a no brainer.0 -
Cheapest rifles are the Mosin Nagant M91/30 or M44 and Turkish Mausers. I've bought them for as little as $50 at gunshows.
Cheapest rounds are military surplus in 8MM Mauser and 7.62x54R for the Mosin Nagant.
MOLON LABE!
An evil tree bears evil fruit. You can destroy as much fruit as you want, but it will always grow back, and it will always be evil.
Tear the tree out of the ground by the roots and burn it. Burn it to ash and grind out the embers with your boot until there's nothing left. Not a single spark. Not a single seed.0 -
I can understand a persons concern about lead poisoning. And how there might be a chance for lead poisoning during the operation of casting bullets. Perhaps I did not take into consideration the mentality of the persons who might read my post. Long before the lead scare, handloaders cast their bullets over cookfires on the prairie, in the garage over a plumbers gasolne pot, with a gasoline blowtorch, and much to the consternation of wives, over the kitchen gas stove. There seems to be some truth to the lead scare, however, poisoning occurs when the lead is ingested into the body. That could happen by eating the lead, as in children. Eating lead paint, as in children, or by breathing lead vapors at the lead pot. Now I ask you, how many of you bullet casters out there have lead poisoning? Do you stick your head into the pot and breath deeply? Like an inhaler? Don't you wash your hands after handling lead bullets?
one popper0 -
onepoper,
I work closely with our county lead poisoning prevention program, so I know what I am talking about. Children are much more subceptible to lead poisoning than adults. If you have kids in the house you are putting them at risk. When melting lead on the kitchen stove it will fill the whole house with lead vapors, please do it outside or in the garage with the door open.
Many indoor ranges accross the country have been shut down because of inadequate ventilation resulting in unacceptable lead levels in the air.
MOLON LABE!
An evil tree bears evil fruit. You can destroy as much fruit as you want, but it will always grow back, and it will always be evil.
Tear the tree out of the ground by the roots and burn it. Burn it to ash and grind out the embers with your boot until there's nothing left. Not a single spark. Not a single seed.0 -
Continuing, have you thought about the lead scare in duck hunting, that cost the shooters a lot of money through the mandantory use of nonlead shot? Has anyone other than the liberal tree hugger organizations done any research on waterfowl lead poisoning? I believe that the whole idea of waterfowl lead poisoning was to put a halt to waterfowl hunting. And now the closing of rifle and pistol ranges accross the county due to lead poisoning. I'm very sorry about the poster's shooter friend who had a problem with lead poisoning by shooting in an unventilated range. How many years did it take him to become sick? We must all look at the toxic materials in our personal enviorments and use common sense when handling them. But on the other hand, we shouldn't go into a panic and stop using them. Sincerely, onepopper
one popper0 -
quote:Originally posted by onepopper
How many years did it take him to become sick?
Oh, so if it doesn't make you sick right away then it's OK. I bet you smoke too, don't you.
MOLON LABE!
An evil tree bears evil fruit. You can destroy as much fruit as you want, but it will always grow back, and it will always be evil.
Tear the tree out of the ground by the roots and burn it. Burn it to ash and grind out the embers with your boot until there's nothing left. Not a single spark. Not a single seed.0 -
quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
quote:Originally posted by onepopper
Any old cast iron pot will do on the kitchen stove. Sincerely, onepopper
one popper
Casting bullets on the kitchen stove, puts both yours, and most importantly, your familys lives in danger.
Greatest danger is if you get caught by Shewhomustbeobeyed.0
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