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FOR MODEL 1906 U.S. GOV`T MAGAZINE RIFLE???

mrmike08075
what on earth is a MODEL 1906 U.S. GOV`T MAGAZINE RIFLE???

i came across several rather poor 20 round 2-piece boxs marked:
20 CARTRIDGES 30 CALIBRE SMOKELESS POWDER 220 GRAIN BULLET
30 U.S. GOV`T. ROUND NOSE SOFT POINT BULLET
FOR MODEL 1906 U.S. GOV`T MAGAZINE RIFLE.
MADE BY THE U.S. CARTRIDGE COMPANY, LOWELL, MASS., U.S.A.

the headstamp:
.U.S.C.CO.
MOD. 06.

the heads are 90% silver metal jacketed, with the remainder being a round nose soft point lead top.

i am familiar with the:
1903 springfield series
1917 enfield series
1918 BAR series

i do not think its a belt fed machine gun round...

what the heck is a MODEL 1906 U.S. GOV`T MAGAZINE RIFLE???

i am confused...

can anyone shed some light on the gun, or ammo???

best regards, mike.


What other dungeon is so dark as ones own heart, what jailer so inexorable as ones own mind.
contact me at the shop at waltsgun@aol.com best regards, mike.
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  • Hangfire
    Mike- Thats early 30'06 ammo. Win. Mod.70's and 54's were first marked 30 Govt' when chambered for 30'06.

    Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob
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  • mrmike08075
    i know its early `06 ammo...
    what i do not know is what a MODEL 1906 U.S. GOV`T MAGAZINE RIFLE is???

    i have samples of older `03 and `06 .30 caliber ammo, but this NOMENCLATURE / DESIGNATION is odd...

    it does not say FOR MODEL 1903 SPRINGFIELD
    it does not say FOR MODEL 1917 ENFIELD
    it does not say FOR MODEL 1918 BAR

    was there a MAGAZINE FED MODEL 1906 machine gun???

    i am pretty well educated on the history and development of the .30 GI round, and with most of the series of U.S. marshall rifles. this one has me stumped...

    best regards, mike.

    What other dungeon is so dark as ones own heart, what jailer so inexorable as ones own mind.
    contact me at the shop at waltsgun@aol.com best regards, mike.
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  • Hangfire
    No 1906 machine gun.I'm sure it just refers to the'03 chambered in 30'06: the year it was adopted.

    Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob
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  • captkirk3@dslextreme.com
    My database is down, and I'm on a remote computer until We complete our Move into our New Toyhauler...I suspecion but can prove...that we're talking about the Pederson Device that was fitted to the 03 Springfield...My Libruary is all packed and stacked and all I got is a Bell going off in my mind.....and nothing concrete.....So....Mike look in your Guns of the World....You'll probably find the info there.....Best.....
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  • Hangfire
    I'm afraid its not a Pederson Kirk with a 220 gr. bullet[8D]The Pederson was a pistol sized 30 cal developed in WW2 for the Special issue MK. 1 Springfield.

    Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob
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  • MP
    GOV`T is just an abbreviation of "Government". They are for a 1903 Springfield rifle, they were called 1906 rifles when they changed from 30 gov 1903 to 30 gov 1906. Later everyone called the rifles 03 and the cartridge 06.
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  • Herschel
    mrmike, The 1903 Springfield (Officially designated U. S. Magazine Rifle, caliber .30, Model of 1903) was chambered for the .30 cal 1903 cartridge. This cartridge had a neck that was .1" longer than the .30'06 cartridge. When the .30-'06 cartridge was adopted in 1906 the rifles chambered for the 1903 cartridge were rechambered, which required the barrels being removed the rifle, cut off at the rear and the shoulder and threads moved forward .1 inch. The rifle was called a magazine rifle as it has a magazine, not a detachable box magazine but a magazine nevertheless.

    Hangfire, I beleve you will find that the 1903Mk1 was a modification to use the Pederson device. This occurred in WW1. The Pederson device was not "developed in WWII for the Special Issue Mk. 1 Springfield".
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  • Hangfire
    quote:Ori The 1903 ginally posted by Herschel

    Hangfire, I beleve you will find that the 1903Mk1 was a modification to use the Pederson device. This occurred in WW1. The Pederson device was not "developed in WWII for the Special Issue Mk. 1 Springfield".




    Brainfade on my part Herschel... you ,of course, are correct.

    Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob
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  • warcrob
    If it has been kept dry it will most likely fire and then again it may be so old that the primers may have solidified.I would be hesitant to fire that ammo in any rifle. It is most likely corrosive.
    If you do decide to fire it give the rifle a thurough cleaning as soon as possible afterwards. Like the above posts have said it is
    30-06 ammo.

    If you ain't got a sense of humor you got no business bein here!
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  • Pinhead
    Way to go Hershel, the old timers did indeed call the early bolt action rifles magazine feed rifles to distinquish them from the early bolt rifles that were single shot or tube feed. The early government description right on into WWII normally describes the 1903 Springfield rifle as being magazine fed rifles. The Garand changed this description as the description when I was in service was "8 round enbloc clip fed rifle". The .30 cartridge referred to was the .30-03 round which had a 220 grain round nosed bullet, which was redesigned slightly to the spitzer nosed and slightly shorter .30/06 that we know today. I have been told that a 30.06 will chamber and safely fire in a 30/03 but that a 30/03 will not chamber or would be safe to fire in a 30/06. I don't have dimension drawings on the 30/03 so I could not say that this is true or not. Very interesting topic and comments though.
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