Help with old shotgun
I am a new poster here, a friend recommended this site to me. I am an amature gunsmith, and need some help.
I am repairing an old (1920's vintage) shotgun, it is a top break single barrel and the only name on it is "Standard", it has some patent dates around the turn of the century. It is being reconditioned as a heirloom for a friend. There is an empty "hole" in the right side, about 0.8" dia by 1/8" deep, with a centered thru hole to the inside about 1/4" dia that may have had threads in it at one time. there is a beveled curved depression at the rear of this hole that looks like a fingernail access of some kind.
What I need to know is what went into the hole, so I can make a replacement. If anyone knows of a parts list or drawing that show what this piece was like, I would appreciate knowing about it.
I have already looked in the GunParts catalog, and the Brownells Gunsmiths Kinks series and found nothing. Anyone have any other place to look?
Steve
I am repairing an old (1920's vintage) shotgun, it is a top break single barrel and the only name on it is "Standard", it has some patent dates around the turn of the century. It is being reconditioned as a heirloom for a friend. There is an empty "hole" in the right side, about 0.8" dia by 1/8" deep, with a centered thru hole to the inside about 1/4" dia that may have had threads in it at one time. there is a beveled curved depression at the rear of this hole that looks like a fingernail access of some kind.
What I need to know is what went into the hole, so I can make a replacement. If anyone knows of a parts list or drawing that show what this piece was like, I would appreciate knowing about it.
I have already looked in the GunParts catalog, and the Brownells Gunsmiths Kinks series and found nothing. Anyone have any other place to look?
Steve
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Welcome to the Ask the Experts Forum....I/We, are going to need to know the Make and Model of the Gun in question....A Photo would be of emmence help......
Captain Kirk, Tech Staff0 -
Well, I don't know the make and model. Its marked "Standard", maker unknown, model unknown. It is a 12 gage, hammer type single barrel top break shotgun. I'll try to get a photo of the area in question and post it.
Steve0 -
Morning Steve: Dug thru some books and My database, but the only thing I'm showing is the STANDARD ARMS COMPANY, Wilmington, Delaware. 1909-1911...Maker of Rifles.....No mention of Single Barrel Shotguns being Produced by this company...! I need to know if there are Proof Marks under the Breech End of the Barrel...?...And then its possible that this Name is a Trade Name used by one of the Company's around the Turn of the last century...Contender Man or Rufe-Snow might be able to shed a little light on the subject....?
Captain Kirk, Tech Staff0 -
You seem to be describing the takedown lever. Several early single-shot shotguns used that type of lever, generally Stevens or Hopkins and Allen. Is this hole in the hinge pin area?
If you can post a picture of that side of the action, I am sure we can determine the original manufacturer.
Scrappy Doo sleeps with the fishes.0 -
just a wag but how about the firing pin retainer? sav. stevens and probably others used a screw/pin from the right side to retain the firing pin and/or spring 0 -
Well, this is not the takedown lever, it has a standard lever behind the hammer for that. It does have a small #5 screw that holds the firing pin in on the right side, I had to make one to fit. Remember, this is a LARGE hole, 0.8" dia, with a thru hole centered thats about 1/4" dia going thru into the lug area. This large depression is immediately adjacent to and tangent to the barrel piviot pin, it cuts into the pin slightly. There is no proof mark on the barrel anywhere. I believe it is a US made gun because of the patent marks.
I will borrow a camera from work tomorrow, and see if I can find a place to post some pictures. Any one have any suggestions on where I can post pictures?
Steve0 -
The lever behind the hammer is called a 'top snap.'
The piece you are missing is as I described. Once we see how the action is shaped we can identify the maker. Also need to know the width of the frame.
Scrappy Doo sleeps with the fishes.0 -
Well, I got an education in how to post pictures to the InterNet! Hope this attempt works. Below are 4 pictures, the right side closeup, the left side closeup (you can make out the name "Standard" in Olde English type script) and a right and left full size shots.
CountryGunsmith, the reciever width is 1.300" plus a few thousands in responce to your question.
Steve
I will put the url here also just in case the photos dont work.
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v294/SteveSteven/RightSide.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v294/SteveSteven/LeftSide.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v294/SteveSteven/RightSideFull.jpg
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v294/SteveSteven/LeftSideFull.jpg0 -
What are those patent dates?
Scrappy Doo sleeps with the fishes.0 -
CountryGunsmith, The patent dates are hard to make out, but appear to be:
Dec 18,9?; Aug 11,96; Aug 14,00; May 27,02 I can't make out the last year number of the first date, it may be a 1. The fore end is a screw takedown, you have to remove the hinge pin to separate the barrel and reciever. I don't have the butstock, I believe it is still in the hands of the owner. I'll call him to see if there is any data on it.
Steve0
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