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1894 Winchester Carbine

griz
Is it possible to have a Winchester 94 carbine with flat (non-crescent) butt and no saddle ring in serial #204xxx (1900) range? It is my understanding the "eastern" type carbine was not manufactured until some time in the 1920's.
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  • only winchesters
    Hello Griz. Someone once said anything is possible! You don't mention the barrel length. I looked at several books I have one says they made them pre WWII One also mentions the Trapper's Carbine, they have reallly short barrels, 14,15,&16 inches. My Uncle has one, circa 1922 and it has a flat metal butt plate.
    The "Eastern" carbine has the short magazine tube, those came out in the late 20s I believe.

    I'm sure our expert "Bert" can shed some more light on this. Bert where are you?

    Regards Dave
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  • griz
    This one is the standard 20 inch round carbine barrel with mag tube to the end of the barrel. Flat shotgun style butt and no saddle ring with 204xxx serial number. Seems to me something is not right here, but I agree, never say never with Winchester 94's.
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  • taperloc
    Hello griz,
    It is posible, but the only way to really tell is to get a letter from the Cody Museum. I bought a 92 SR carbine with a rifle butt. The man that sold it to me said that how it was ordered. The Cody Museum verified that it had been special ordered with a rifle butt.
    It's the only way to tell for sure.
    Cody Firearms Museum P.O. Box 1000, Cody, Wyoming 82414
    Taperloc
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  • Bert H.
    Hello Griz...

    In order to have the features you describe, it would have to be a special order Carbine.

    As Taperloc mentioned, the only way you will ever know for sure, would be to contact the Cody Firearms Museum and obtain a factory letter for it - http://www.bbhc.org/firearms/records.cfm

    The Model 1894/94 Carbine was standard with the softly curved butt plate until 1929/1930, when it was then replaced by the "shotgun" style flat butt plate. The Eastern Carbines were not catalogued until 1925, and they are identical to the standard Carbine, just no saddle ring (the magazine is the same length).

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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  • WIN 1894
    I have a question concerning on griz topic. Showing the "Eastern Carbine then what years did Winchester make the Sporting Carbine? I have a couple 1894 made in the 30's in 30WCF. Appreciate it if any can let me know.

    Thanks Frank[:)]
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by PFD
    I have a question concerning on griz topic. Showing the "Eastern Carbine then what years did Winchester make the Sporting Carbine? I have a couple 1894 made in the 30's in 30WCF. Appreciate it if any can let me know.

    Thanks Frank[:)]


    Hello Frank...

    I am not quite sure what you are asking, but maybe I can clear up a few things for you. Winchester produced the Saddle Ring Carbine (SRC) from inception in late 1894 until 1925. To get a Carbine without a saddle ring, it had to be special ordered. In 1925, the "Eastern" Carbine was introduced and became the new standard. To get a SRC from 1925 on, it had to be special ordered. Then at circa 1940/41 (essentially the beginning of WW II), saddle rings were discontinued as a special order item, and the "standard" (as we still know it today) Model 94 Carbine was born (same identical gun to the "Eastern", but without that name). In recent years (within the past 20 years), several different variants of the Carbine have been introduced.

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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  • WIN 1894
    Bert thanks for the response. The reason I asked is that the ones I have are Model 1894s with serial numbers in the 1,12xxxx, 20"rd barrel and tang peeps. They have the original Winchester factory boxes and papers. The box is of heavy cardboard type with waxing on the corners and the end label shows Sporting Carbine.

    Thanks
    Frank[:)]
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by PFD
    Bert thanks for the response. The reason I asked is that the ones I have are Model 1894s with serial numbers in the 1,12xxxx, 20"rd barrel and tang peeps. They have the original Winchester factory boxes and papers. The box is of heavy cardboard type with waxing on the corners and the end label shows Sporting Carbine.

    Thanks
    Frank[:)]


    Hello Frank...

    Hmmm... interesting. The Carbines you have were made in the late 1930s (around the same time that the "Eastern" name was dropped), and it stands to reason that Winchester starting calling it a "Sporting" Carbine. I do not have any of Winchester's catalogs for that period in time, so I am unable to look it up for you. However, it is a very good bet that they were listing it as such.

    Thank you for posting the information on your Carbines[^].

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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  • WIN 1894
    Bert: Appreciate the info. I am going to see if I can find any other information on the eastern/sporting carbines.

    Thanks
    Frank[:)]
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  • David Kennedy
    quote:Originally posted by taperloc
    the only way to really tell is to get a letter from the Cody Museum. ...

    Cody Firearms Museum P.O. Box 1000, Cody, Wyoming 82414
    Taperloc

    Taperloc,

    Thanks for the nod. However, we have not used the PO Box for several years. The current address is Cody Firearms Museum, Attn: Firearms Records, 720 Sheridan Ave, Cody, WY 82414. Inquiries can also be sent to cfmrecords@bbhc.org

    Thanks again!



    David Kennedy
    Curator, Cody Firearms Museum
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