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I've answered hundreds of questions about National Firearms Act weapons here on GB so please tell me what information I have provided in the last post (or the last 100) about purchasing machineguns which amazed you due to its high number of errors? I've only been in this business for 20 years so please enlighten me with you own level of expertise on this tricky subject.
Mark T. Christian0 -
Sandman, I would appreciate it if you would cite the section of the Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide, or the Code of Federal Regulations, that says that you can buy a firearm in a state where you vacation or own a summer home.
Neal0 -
Sandman a machine gun is not a destructive device. You cannot get around a CLEO signature by "setting up a business to own the guns". Maybe you should check your 'correct info' before you give unsolicited advice. 0 -
First off, I must apologize to the people who give good information. I just re-read my post and it sounded bad. I never mentioned any names, didn't mean to point any fingers, and don't intend to start now.
However, I should have read up on the information I was giving out, to make sure it had not been changed. Under a quick search, I find that the vacation loophole appears to be closed. I know it was there, because I used it. The Cleo in Jax hadn't signed in many years, unless you knew somebody. Fortunately this has changed recently.
A friend of mine investigated the business end of it, and I am pretty sure that option was also open for a while, if not still.
However, it may have been closed also.I didn't look for it. At this point, i will go crawl back under my rock and pretend I didn't wonder in here today, because all I did was upset the apple cart.
I do have several friends in Jax who have recently acquired class III weapons and will be able to help the gentleman here in jax that made the previous inquiry, to explain to him what he needs to do, and who to see. As was stated, it isn't a hard process, just expensive.
David
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No problem David, you just came across as very harsh. The vacation property situation was was never offically sanctioned and was more or less a case of how friendly you were with the CLEO where you spent your leasure time. Owning a time share in Las Vegas in not going to allow a person with a residence in California to purchase a Machinegun or other NFA firearm as a Nevada resident. Sometimes a friendly chief would sign off on a Form 4 for an out of state resident, but this was way out of policy. Corporations can own machineguns and don't need the Form 4 sign off, but once the corporation disolves the MG has to be disposed of or the corporate officer who wants it is right back where he started from, an approved From 4 with a CLEO sign off mandated. Climb out from under that rock as things are not all that bad!
Mark T. Christian0 -
Quote"Corporations can own machineguns and don't need the Form 4 sign off, but once the corporation disolves the MG has to be disposed of or the corporate officer who wants it is right back where he started from, an approved From 4 with a CLEO sign off mandated."
Many people have done this and it has 2 distinct advantages. You bypass the CLEO signature which isn't possible in some locations. Your transfers are also approved in aprox. 1/2 the time since you aren't required to submit print cards with the application. The FBI processing the prints is one of the most time consuming parts of the approval process.
Unfourtantly it looks like I'm about to be forced to establish a corp. for NFA weapons. The CLEO that has signed for me for many years decided that it takes up too much of his valueable time. I have a couple of guns paid for and went to his office for his signature and W/O warning he refused to sign. Such is life in the big city.[:D]
BTW: I frequent many NFA boards and you'll need to look long and hard to find somebody more knowlegeable in the area than Mr. Christian. I've invited him to come over to the dark side and join us on the NFA boards and further share his knowledge, but I think you guys keep him jumping.
TD0 -
Yes, I aggree about Mr. Christian, I have only been on this board for a couple of months, but he always seems well informed. I knew that a Corp. could get by without the Cleo Signature, but sandman was just saying that you could start a business to own the guns. THat is not correct. 0 -
mark christian, i am curious about a corp owning machineguns. are all shareholders of the corp entitled to use the machinegun or is only a specific individual allowed to?
i ask because i understand a corp is a legal individual with all shareholders being a part of that individual. that would apppear to allow them use of the machinegun(in an area where its legal of course). however i have seen a number of people saying that this is actually not allowed and only one individual could named as being responsible for the machinegun and anyone using it would need to be under his supervision.0 -
I believe that anyone who uses the establishment of a corporation as a means to circumvent NFA regulations is making a very big mistake. Trust me, the intent of Congress when passing this legislation was NOT to create a way for individuals to own machine guns that they were unable to get through the normal procedure. Eventually, BATFE will receive a complaint, or one these machine guns will be the subject of a press investigation, & BATFE will make an example of someone. That person probably won't go to jail, but he undoubtedly will have to spend $10,000-20,000 on legal fees, & may lose his house, job, &/or wife. Hardly seems worthwhile when you consider that machine guns are just expensive toys.
Neal
"Arrest now, litigate later." ---- BATFE motto0 -
Just expensive toys?
I thought they were investments that you could take out and play with. Sure beats stocks over the last couple of years.
ROCK
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