MODEL 12 WINCHESTER
I have a 12 ga. model 12 nickel steel barrel. #60360. In Madis's book Winchester Model 12 He claims this gun is "very rare and valuable collectors item." Can anybody provide more info about the value of this gun? Thanks
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Seems impossable to find an older model 12 in 20 ga. 26 in. barrel with cylinder or imp. cyl bore. Plenty of others around but none as described. are they that scarce ?. 0 -
Hello NEWT...
To answer your question... No, I do not believe so... at least not from normal use and wear.
Now I have a question or two for you... what length shells are you shooting? Does the barrel appear to have a slight bulge just in front of the receiver?
Frankly, you really should have your shotgun checked out by a competent gunsmith.
Bert H.
Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!0 -
Newt,
If the chamber is that worn the shells should be easily extracted. Have the gun checked by a good gunsmith as Bert H. suggests, if you have any doubt at all. I have owned shotguns in the past that have left a small bulge in the brass.
If extraction is sticky, I would closely inspect the chamber for rust, pitting or some other type of built-up crud. Give the chamber a good cleaning if find this to be the case or if you haven't cleaned it.
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Welcome to the forum Newt. The barrel chamber ring rarely wears out. by design as the barrel assy. becomes loose on the receiver, you take up a notch on the adjusting sleeve, thus restoring a tight fit. When you run out of adjustment, you put the next size adjusting sleeve on. Not being able to see your gun, and being able to tell if it has had a lot of use or not there are several possibilities.
1) when the barrel assy is on the receiver there should be zero play, no gap between the receiver and the receiver extention. If there is any play, adjust the adjusting sleeve one notch at a time. If you are not familar with this adjustment, take it to a gunsmith.
2) With the breech bolt closed, (all the way forward) there should be no play between the action slide assy. (the forearm) and the bolt. meaning when the breech is closed you should be able to pull back and forth on the forearm and have no movement. Put an empty shell in the chamber when you do this.
3)If you don't know the history of the gun, it is possible that the barrel has been replaced at some time and it wasn't done properly. A good gunsmith can check the headspacing and fit.
4) I would tend to believe that the shells are the real problem. Have you tried different brands? does it occurr with just one brand or all brands? Were you shooting reloads? Sometimes with reloads the brass will expand more than a first fired round. (brass becomes weaker with each reload)
5) Your gun is at least 40 years old and the left and right extractor could be worn. Winchester part #11312 & 11412. These are the two little parts on the breech bolt that actually grab the shell when ejecting.
I have some Md12's that I've put more than 10000 rounds thru, and have problems with reloads.
Hope this helps you. Feel free to email me directly if you have anymore questions, just click on onlywinchesters to the left to email.
Regards Dave0 -
someone may have installed a new chamber ring on this older gun and not fitted it properly. the chamber rings were supply on the small side (inside diam.)and had to be fitted when installed (they were not 'drop in'). 0 -
Mike Wiskey is on the right track. It could also be that someone polished some bad spots out of the chamber with the barrel off and did not polish the chamber ring to match. This would leave a small step in the chamber between the ring to the barrel...Makeing it very hard to extract fired shells
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welcome! its pretty dang refreshing to see a real shooting enthusiast joining the board. just ignore the clint eastwood type(s) that have been filling up the topics lately.[:D] 0
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