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M1 garand question

corrado444
I know that there are narrow base and wide base gas
cylinders for M1 Garands.. I have been told that a
M1 Garand (manufactured around 1944) should have a wide base
cylinder... My question is, will a narrow base fit the
rifle? there seems to be more narrow base cylinders up for
auction then wide base...

thanks

rick
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  • corrado444
    A local person wants me to list his M1 Garand here on Gunbroker. He says that it was a rifle specifically made for match shooting at Camp Perry and not a rifle meant to be issued to troops. He says that the receiver has some stars on one side that show that this rifle was built for matches. I will get some photos and more information in the next few days, just wondering if anyone heard of these purpose built rifles with stars on the receiver?
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  • redice
    Unless the barrel was bent and the reciver was a cia cai? and the wood was crap and the rifleing was gone it should be more than that.

    The cia cai bulgarian parts kit m1's go for like 350-600 bucks a real m1 made by springfield or whatever fetches from 800-1400 from what I have seen.
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  • corrado444
    Hi, thank you for answering. I should clarify: the gun was in fair condition and the rifling seemed OK. It clearly was beat up and used, but no more than the one I had assigned (mine actually had a bunch of notches on the stock, and apparently was a Korean war relic. It tells you about the kind of technology we were using in the Italian Army).

    The one thing that seemeg strange to me was that it shot .45.
    However the saleman assured me it would fire and was under limited warranty.
    As I said, my experience is limited to army issue guns and after 20 years my memory of the garand is a bit off.

    I knew I should have bought it. All I wanted it for was for decoration and sentimental value anyway.
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  • duckhunter
    STRANGE??? NEVER DID SEE A MI GARAND THAT SHOT A .45???

    I WOULD RATHER BE DUCK HUNTING.
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  • mark christian
    A lot of interesting things going on here; .45 caliber (???) M1 rifles and Bulgarian(???) M1 parts kits included. Winchester M1 service rifles were produced only during World War Two and then the Winchester tooling was obtained by Beretta and that Italian firm began to produce M1 rifles as well as the new BM-59 rifles adopted by the Italian military in the early 1960's. From a purely technical standpoint the Winchester rifles were of poorer quality than the Springfield rifles produced at the same time but Winchesters are far more collectable. Finding an M1 rifle at a Big 5 Sporting Goods store anywhere in California (your profile states you live in Sacramento) would seem to be a once in a life time happening because you are lucky to purchase a complete M1 bolt for $60 these days. I have traveled to Italy many times and love that country. Where were you from originally?

    Mark T. Christian
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  • redice
    Ya a few things I said wern't exactly correct I can't recall what country the parts kits were from but I believe it started with a b.. and ya springfield is the 800-1400
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  • Hangfire
    I think someone is having a BORING Saturday!!!!!

    Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob

    Troll Alert....
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  • corrado444
    Hi, thank you for your answers.

    I did say I was puzzled too! As for the .45, that's what the salesman said. Apparently, he not only looked like an idiot, he was one.
    I didn't have a chance to open the breach, so I couldn't check it out by myself. My thought at the time, was that since the M1 was made in the millions, it couldn't have been too valuable. Little did I know!

    BTW, I was born and raised in Rome, I served near Aviano and if you are interested my equipment was as follows: "Lance" Tactical missile launcer and loader (I did get to launch 2 in my career), Browning machine gun 7.62 belt fed, 20mm machine gun (the name temporarily escapes me, a beast, we used it on a m113 troop carries and turned it into swiss cheese), M1 rifle, FAL rifle (an M1 with folding stock and repeating fire), Beretta 9mm short (a piece of junk, better used as a blunt object).
    The missile was a 10 Mton nuclear warhead, a bit excessive for duck hunting, but very good for rearranging wold maps(I know a few choise terrorists I'd like to have try it on for size).

    My garand was an incredible workhorse, I abused that gun to death, and it always fired pronto. Mine was also very precise (the perks of being an officer I guess)and it made me win most of the precision firing trials we held.

    Italy is a beautiful country, just don't get caught in the army there [:)]

    So, if I wanted a so so M1, where should I go?
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  • corrado444
    Mmmm, troll alert? No, sorry. I am not trolling whatsoever. I know trolls don't need any motivation to post absurd threads, but I have better things to do with my time. I have had questions about M1s for a long time, finding your forum was a fortuitus coincidence and I am glad I did. You guys look like you know your stuff. I, on the other hand, even though I grew up in a house full of guns, I have had my experience mostly in the army, the wrong one at that.

    I can see why you may think I was trolling, but let me assure you: you are wrong!
    No offense taken, and I hope none given [:)]

    BTW do you think I should ask in a new post about importing my dad's shotguns? If so where?

    Thank you
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  • mark christian
    So where in Italy were you born and raised? I know that coutry very well (especially the notheren region and naturally Brescia) from several trips, both business and pleasure. The greatest ice cream in the world is in Italy...hail Gelato! No need to start another thread as you will need an ATF approved Form 6 in order to import any firearms into this country. There is no charge for this and you can do this yourself, although to be approved you must have an actual plan (shipping arrangements) to import the firearms and include full and complete descriptions of all firearms including serial numbers and the physical location of the firearms (the exact address of where they are now in Italy) as these will be checked by US Customs when the firearms arrive. In order to clear Customs there can be ZERO errors in your documentation.

    Mark T. Christian
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  • corrado444
    Thank you Mark. You are so very right! Italian Gelato is the best in the world! It makes Haagen Datz and B&J taste like frozen poop.
    May I also add Panettone, Prosciutto, Rustic bread and Nutella to the list?

    I was born and raised in Rome, I lived in the north too and I really enjoyed Brescia as well. I had friends in Brescia, Bergamo, Milan, turin etc.

    I appreciate the info, I'll be careful. Actually, I am more worried about the Italian bureaucracy. You know? The same people that mandate you keep the gun locked in a safe and the ammo in another? That is if you are on of the few that can figure out the paperwork to get a home permit.

    My Dad's guns are very beautiful. If I recall, he had a Benelli shotgun over under, a double barrel hunting beretta with beautiful carvings, and a beretta pump action special edition something or other.
    My brother has them, but he never uses them, in fact they are in storage at his house. The only problem is that he'll have to do the paperwork to get them to me, and he is lazy when it comes to send me stuff.
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  • corrado444
    Mark, I hit post before I could conclude. What kind of business did you conduct in italy?

    Thanks, ciao
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  • mark christian
    Buona sera Corrado. Ah prosciutto...I would enjoy some right now with a good Italian beer (for those who don't know, Italy produces wonderful beer and I don't like wine). My business is firearms and I often travel to Europe on business as well as for my own enjoyment. In order to import your firearms your brother must assist you by setting up the shipping arrangements as well as the export permits needed for the firearms to leave the country. Italy has some of the toughest firearms export regulations anywhere and EVERY single part of a gun is condidered to be the same as a complete firearm. When I imported a large number of Franchi SPAS parts and SPAS-15 magazines back in 1997 I had to travel with the parts by train to Switzerland and then fly home from Zurich becasue I would not have been granted the needed export permits in time to fly out of either Rome or Milan. The Swiss ask no questions and there are no customs checks by the Italians on trains LEAVING Italy. I've been to Rome twice and it is the most incredible city on earth. I have some close friends who live in Bergamo and often stay with them at their lakeside home near Lago d' Iseo (Sebino) a little south of Lovere. I dream of some day retiring to the Lake Como area and living the good like by growing fat on ice cream because I may be the only person on earth who is not fond of Nutella! Arrivederci.

    Mark T. Christian
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  • corrado444
    Buona sera Mark. You don't like Nutella? I have to always buy two and keep one in hiding (It is by the koi pond behind the fish food) or my DW and DD will eat it grow fat and blame me! I can see the wine part. I love wine, but I also love beer! There is no finest moment in life as when you open a sweaty cold beer on a warm night after a hard day of sports or work. I love Birra Moretti and the mustached man (strikingly resembling my grandfather) has been a good drinking buddy for many years (inside joke alert!)
    Alas, I just had a liver transplant, so alcoholic drinks are out for me, forever. Let me take a moment to thank Bud, Miller and Coors for making some very fine NA beers and for helping me put back some joy in my life.

    Yes, people here complaint about the gun laws we have. Let me tell you, California compared to Italy is still the far west. When I tell Italians about Texas, Montana etc. I get incredulous stares and I can see them slowly walking away from me. My dad had an antique gun and he had to keep the gun, the firing pin and the ammo in three separate locked gun safes. Then one day the law changed and he had to relinquish the firing pin in order to keep it. He got mad and drove the gun to Austria, where he had a house at the time.

    So yes, I know how difficult it is out there. But the guns belonged to my Dad, and I still have vivid memories of going hunting with him and firing those very guns (which makes them 40 year old now) so it is more a sentimental issue than anything else.

    I am not looking forward to the paperwork.
    Thank you very much for all your help, and feel free to email me if you ever need anything or are going back to Italy.
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