Hi Wall-Lo Wall? What's The Difference?
Forgive my ignorance, but one question that I have always wondered about, what is the difference between a "Hi Wall" rifle, and a "Lo Wall" rifle? I have never been able to locate anyone that could explain the difference, without getting me more confused than I already am!
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Winchester made many variations of both but when they first started the low wall was for small fairly low power cartridges and the high wall was for the larger higher power cartridges they had flat leaf springs and internal parts were not interchangeable. after they went to coil springs I am told all parts were the same and only the side profile of action was different.If you think that is confuseing try the stevens 44 & 44-1/2 the stevens 45-49 some on 44 action and some on 44-1/2 action 0 -
There is probably some guy named "Bert" that will stop by with more information than you ever wanted to know.You have opened a Pandoras box.....Good Luck!![8D][8D]
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Highwall Winchester
Lowall Winchester
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quote:Originally posted by perry shooter
Winchester made many variations of both but when they first started the low wall was for small fairly low power cartridges and the high wall was for the larger higher power cartridges they had flat leaf springs and internal parts were not interchangeable. after they went to coil springs I am told all parts were the same and only the side profile of action was different.If you think that is confuseing try the stevens 44 & 44-1/2 the stevens 45-49 some on 44 action and some on 44-1/2 action
Hello perry shooter...
Somebody has been feeding you some bum information[V]
When Winchester first introduced the Model 1885 single-shot, it was available only as a "high-wall". The "low-wall" was introduced about nine months later (circa serial no. 2250).
The first "low-walls" were simply "high-walls" with the frame milled down to "low-wall" dimensions, so most of the internal parts were actually interchangeable. Those early "low-walls" can be identified by the milled "thin-side" frame (like the high-wall Joe has in the picture), and a non-contoured (milled) breech block.
At circa serial no. 17500, Winchester redesigned the "low-wall" frame, and the sides of the frame were flat (the milled flange at the front and rear of the frame were eliminated). The breech block was milled at the top to smoothly follow the contour of the frame. This style of "low-wall" stayed in production until the end of the model production in 1920 (though very few of them were made after 1917). Almost none of the internal parts are interchangeable with a "high-wall", or the first and last style "low-walls".
The third type of "low-wall" appeared in 1918, and it was exclusively used for the Model 87 Winder Musket (third variation Winder Musket). This final form was once again a milled down "high-wall" frame, but the breech block was contour milled to match the frame. Once again, many of the internal parts are interchangeable with a "high-wall" of the same era.
Many of the internal parts for a flat-spring and coil-spring are different, and therefore are not interchangeable within the exact same frame type (e.g. second type "low-walls" were made as both flat & coil spring, and many of the internal parts were not interchangable). The switch to the coil-spring actions occurred circa 1908, but it took several years before Winchester had used up all of the flat-spring actions, so there is a sizeable overlap.
All of the information above will be covered in much greater detail in the reference book that I am in the process of writing about this exact model.
To Joe... Thanks my friend for the pictures... they are worth a thousand words[^]
To Bob... Pandoras Box my eye![}:)]
Finally, to anyone else who is interested in learning more about any Model 1885 Single-shot currently in your possesion, please get in touch with me here on this forum, or through the contact link in my Profile (Win1885@msn.com). I can provide exact DOMs for any 1885 under serial number 110,000, and can provide a very close estimate for those from 110,000 - 139735 (end of production).
Bert H.
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Gee Bert H. -- Could you be a little more specific............[:D][:D] 0 -
Thanks for setting me straight did not know there were 3 types hope I did not offend any one.will try to get my info straight next time .When I looked no one had answered and thought I was right.I should stick to BULLS-EYE PISTOL. Questions i do know a little about them. 0 -
quote:hope I did not offend any oneAficionados of the Old Single-Shots are NEVER offended by ANY comment made about their 'toys'.
[;)][:p][:)]....silly donkey!0 -
quote:Originally posted by temblor
Gee Bert H. -- Could you be a little more specific............[:D][:D]
Well... I did try to keep it short & simple[:D]
Bert H.
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quote:Originally posted by perry shooter
Thanks for setting me straight did not know there were 3 types hope I did not offend any one.will try to get my info straight next time .When I looked no one had answered and thought I was right.I should stick to BULLS-EYE PISTOL. Questions i do know a little about them.
Hello perry...
As Joe stated... Not offended in the slightest[:)] I just wanted to be sure that you (and anyone else who is interested) had the "straight poop" on original Winchester Model 1885 Single-shot low-walls (and just think... we didn't really even get into discussing the high-wall)[:D]
Bert H.
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