Contiguous States ?
If I live in FLorida and want to buy a rifle in NYS can I ?
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If 1) you appear before the FFL at his place of business, & 2) such a sale is permitted under the laws of both states, & 3) if the FFL WANTS to get involved in such a transaction.
By the way, "contiguous" means "next to"; that provision of the law was revoked in 1986. Now you can buy a long gun from an FFL in any state.
Neal0 -
Wouldn't this just be a regular FFL transfer? So basically the dealer in the other state would have to ship the gun to a local FFL dealer in your state. You would then do the paperwork through your local dealer and they would charge you the transfer fee.
Of course, I'm speaking from California, where we have a laundry list of banned guns. I've bought a couple of guns from out-of-state dealers and all of them have had to go through a CA dealer. Basically, I pay the out of state dealer the cost of the gun and shipping to my local dealer, then I pay my local dealer sales tax and the FFL transfer fee (about $70). The local dealer does all the CA paperwork and does the 10-day waiting period (yes, for BOTH handguns AND longguns).
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -Gandhi0 -
Wow Wolf, that is a bummer if you have to do that each time. Seventy bucks is a lot for a transfer. I'm not sure about California, because I don't do any sales to California, but in most other states as long as you go to the shop of the dealer, or you see him at a gun show in his home state, he can sell you a rifle or shotgun, as long as it doesn't break any laws of either state. You still have to abide by any waiting periods of the purhasers state. I would ask your dealer about the sales tax. What is he charging you sales tax on, you didn't buy anything from him. You are just having it shipped to him. Of course at the end of the year you must report that out-of-state purchase on your tax return[;)][;)] 0 -
Yeah, here in Kansas I figure at least $50 over the bid price for shipping and FFL contact fee for any cartridge gun. A gun can get pretty pricey after you've jumped through all the hoops. Still, it you want something not locally available you can't beat these internet auctions. Prices are often more reasonable than gun shows and you don't have the travel expense to get to one. 0 -
Here in Mo. I just completed an internet purchase(from Or). Shipping/ins was $24 and the transfer fee $15. 0 -
Ya, I figured we were getting screwed out here.
I think the way that CA works is that all out-of-state sales are treated like wholesale purchases, therefore a dealer in-state must be involved on the retail end to make sure all the paperwork is filed and so forth. So basically, I am just doing the legwork for my dealer and saying "here is where my gun is, in fact I already paid for it, all you gotta do is receive it and I will pay you $70 bucks plus tax". Heck of a deal! The state is sure as heck gonna make sure they get their sales tax, especially on these high dollar gun purchases. That is their reward for regulating it so much.
I have heard that of the $70, $50 goes to the state for "filing fees" and the dealer is allowed to keep $20 to cover their overhead. Occassionally you will find an independent FFL that will do it for $65.
Do you understand now why I'm on the verge of insanity?
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"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -Gandhi0 -
Can someone site in the atf code where it say that I can purchase a gun from a non-contiguous state. My local dealer say that that rule is still in effect, but can't find the reg. some out of state relatives always get dissapointed when I take them in and he won't sell them long guns.
My border collie is smarter than your honor student.0 -
FFL Newsletter, December 2002, Issue 1, page 2, article entitled "CONTIGUOUS STATE".
Available on the BATFE website, but any dealer should have a hardcopy.
Neal0 -
WoundedWolf, as a dealer here in California I can tell you that you pay these fees to the DOJ: $14 for the Dealer Record of Sale (DROS) processing fee, $5 for "Safety and Enforcement" (don't even ask), and $1 to fund the state firearms safety testing program for a total cost to you of $20. For private party transfers (this means two California residents transfering a firearm(s) to each other through a California dealer) the regulations allow a maximum service fee the dealer may charge of $10. Anything else, such as a transefer of a firearm in from out of state, and the sky is the limit as far as what I can charge you and plenty of dealers are happy to reach for the stars! If you are charged $70 (sounds fair to me) then $50 goes into the dealers pocket and $20 goes for the DOJ fees. The dealer should be telling you this up front because fees are mandated by law to be posted in gunshops and failing to do so or mistating the amount of the fees or where the money goes and to whom, is a violation of the regualtions and a dealer can be shut down by the DOJ for this.
Mark T. Christian0 -
quote:Originally posted by richbug
Can someone site in the atf code where it say that I can purchase a gun from a non-contiguous state. My local dealer say that that rule is still in effect, but can't find the reg. some out of state relatives always get dissapointed when I take them in and he won't sell them long guns.
My border collie is smarter than your honor student.
Some states still have the contiguous state legislation on their books even though the Federal law was revoked several years ago. Since Federal law says the sale must be legal in both the state of sale and the buyer's home state, the result is that only contiguous state sales are allowed.0 -
Thanks for clarifying, Mark. You are exactly right, I had my figures swapped. And every dealer I've dealt with has been very open about this, but as our out-of-state friends have noticed this is something that really hits the consumer in the pocketbook. Granted the dealer is hit as well with the time and money it takes to comply with these outrageous regulations. I believe ultimately that this acts as a financial deterrent to purchasing a firearm, which is probably as it was designed.
Because of all these regs, I live in a suburban Bay Area county with a population of about 500,000 people, 1500 square miles of land (much of it rural), and there are all of two gun shops here. Two! (not including the half-dozen or so chain sporting goods stores that just sell rifles and shotguns)
It seems to me that in another part of the country there would be a lot more interest and availability of shooting sports and supplies, given an area of similar demographics. I think the lack of this is a direct result of the firearms regulation in this state.
Perhaps I'm merely stating the obvious.
Happy Shooting!
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -Gandhi0 -
This covers dealer sales but what about private sales? Can I(not a dealer) sell a shotgun at a gun show to someone(not a dealer) from out of state and not violate any laws? 0
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